28/10/2022, 19:16:50 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: nvmd
08/11/2022, 20:18:48 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: hey cheapie?
i noticed that you are cyberbullying a friend of mine
they are greatfox agris, and it seems like you are bullying them for no reason
could i get your side please?
09/11/2022, 02:20:41 - cheapie: agris was banned from ##furry ages ago for a few reasons, and then some time after that was banned from furnet (by someone else). AFAIK I haven't talked to them since about when the ban from ##furry happened.
09/11/2022, 07:16:03 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: And what were those reasons
09/11/2022, 07:16:42 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: And it seems like this started in freenode aswell
09/11/2022, 15:01:01 - cheapie: I just went looking at the logs, looks like he was probably banned from ##furry on freenode ages ago, but I don't see a record of him having been banned from ##furry over here (I did not import the old bans from freenode during the move, I chose to start fresh instead). If he was under a different nick or something I can look for that.
09/11/2022, 15:02:14 - cheapie: I don't remember off the top of my head /exactly/ what he did (hence why I was looking for logs) but I seem to remember it mostly revolving around repeatedly being aggressive for no apparent reason. I don't know if that has anything to do with why he's glined on furnet, I'm not involved in that over there.
09/11/2022, 15:03:21 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: from what agris is telling me, it seems like it was _you_ who was aggressive to agris for no reason
09/11/2022, 15:03:47 - cheapie: Does he have a timestamp? I'd be happy to pull up logs if he can tell me when/where this happened.
09/11/2022, 15:04:15 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: no, but i am planning on doing a jit.si meeting
09/11/2022, 15:04:51 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: hopefully, you, me, and agris will hopefully manage to resolve this
09/11/2022, 15:05:35 - cheapie: I'm not joining a "meeting" regarding this (or anything else, for that matter).
09/11/2022, 15:06:00 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: this just raises suspicion
09/11/2022, 15:06:45 - cheapie: Mostly because I don't do "meetings", but if he wants to join ##furry I think he can do that, or I can invite both of you to ##furryops and we can discuss it there?
09/11/2022, 15:07:11 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: i'll discuss it with agris
09/11/2022, 15:11:06 - cheapie: Also if he wants to talk to furnet staff about the gline over there, I think Lymril is the one responsible - I'm not sure if they have a ban appeals email address for if he wants to take that route, but otherwise I can go see if Lymril wants to talk or provide details.
09/11/2022, 15:11:48 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: i see
09/11/2022, 15:13:37 - cheapie: Yeah, looks like Lymril is the one that set the gline, and included the message that was the final straw in the message too: * agris has quit (Killed (Lymril (#FurNet: <agris> I would like to request the full IP address and nickserv registration email of the perpetrator, so that my lawyer may send a cease and desist letter)))
09/11/2022, 15:14:03 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: hm
09/11/2022, 15:15:54 - cheapie: I also see agris getting banned from some channels over there before that, then evading the ban and getting banned again.
09/11/2022, 15:16:26 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: hm
09/11/2022, 15:17:18 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: all i just want is both sides giving me all of the details so i can provide an unbiased opinion
09/11/2022, 15:17:41 - cheapie: I also took a look at the logs from old ##furry on freenode and I see that I am the one that banned him from there (for being a troll), although as I mentioned previously I'm not sure if he was ever actually banned from the one here.
09/11/2022, 15:18:05 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: i see
09/11/2022, 15:18:36 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: would it be possible for me to access the old freenode ##furry logs when agris was still around?
09/11/2022, 15:19:05 - cheapie: I don't think anyone has public logs, but I'll pastebin some of them leading up to his ban, one moment.
09/11/2022, 15:19:53 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: thank you
09/11/2022, 15:21:12 - cheapie: Should be this here, this was the last in a long string of "no the software you use is bad and you should feel bad"-type rants: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/cheapie/cddfe5aa1a33303329707c958611228c/raw/0674ab8aa68384a01ef9f2263e0a9e5c379c9700/gistfile1.txt
09/11/2022, 15:23:07 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: interesting
09/11/2022, 15:24:01 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: also if i ever decide in favor of agris, would i get banned in ##furry because of it?
09/11/2022, 15:24:23 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: i don't want to be a main part of any drama that this may cause
09/11/2022, 15:25:20 - cheapie: You're welcome to have your own opinion (if you think he shouldn't be banned from <wherever> that's your thing), it's only when said opinion starts being.... aggressively imposed on others (like that log) that it's much of a problem.
09/11/2022, 15:25:42 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: understandable
09/11/2022, 15:26:45 - cheapie: Like to use some bits from that, things like "I think JavaScript sucks" is generally fine (heck, I even agree with that) but "<Agris> No they can't [use it]" "<Agris> Your project is going to turn out unreliable, bloated, and is not going to have any longevity at all" is not.
09/11/2022, 15:28:32 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: okay
09/11/2022, 15:28:43 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: and when was this?
09/11/2022, 15:30:45 - cheapie: This was before I set the logs to include the year, so "Aug 28" is all I have for the date there. It was on freenode, so it would have been before the move.
09/11/2022, 15:31:24 - cheapie: If you talk to others that have been around for a while, some of them might have logs with year stamps or at least remember.
09/11/2022, 15:32:32 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: i see
09/11/2022, 15:33:11 - Elysian the kitsune (she/her) ✓: if it was when js was in a bad state, then that would fair