[19:20:15] <Azure> Can you please not blame someone else being banned on claims of power abuse and questioning people's integrity just because they are in posistions of authority? It's not just harmful to the peace of the community, but also to the self-doubts of those aformentioned in authority who already question if and when they go to far trying to keep this place peaceful.
[19:20:27] <Shentino> HUH?!
[19:20:37] <Azure> Nobody got banned because I hate their guts.
[19:20:54] <Azure> They got banned while I was asleep over something that happened while I was asleep by someone who wasn't me, because I was asleep.
[19:21:15] <Shentino> I know. Look, I never said they were banned because you hated them. And you weren't there to see what I actually typed unless someone sent you logs.
[19:21:38] <Shentino> Besides I know damn well True was the one to actually ban them and not you
[19:22:08] <Azure> My point still stands though, azure hates his guts so he had no business even patronizing his channel to begin with was the comment I was referring to.
[19:22:22] <Azure> I don't even hate his guts, I just want him to leave me alone.
[19:22:27] <Shentino> I only said that because agris apparently lied to me about what was going on between the two of you.
[19:22:54] <Azure> I told him to leave me alone and then a bit later I went to sleep.
[19:23:25] <Azure> Just try to avoid getting involved in drama or making comments like that, if you would, please.
[19:23:36] <Shentino> If anything I thought Agris was the one trying to stir shit up by barging into your place after he told you off.
[19:23:48] <Azure> He told me off?
[19:24:01] <Azure> And, well, that's my suspicion.
[19:24:02] <Shentino> ...misphrased, after you told HIM off. my mistake.
[19:24:21] * Azure nods, "WELL, I did suspect maybe he was following me after I blocked him."
[19:24:31] <Azure> But I figured I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
[19:25:05] <Shentino> Yeah that was my point. That, at least from what he told me, he knew damn well you wanted nothing to do with him and that alone made it very inappropriate of him to go into your fiefdom.
[19:25:29] <Shentino> Regardless of what true actually banned him for.
[19:25:55] <Shentino> Going into the domain of someone you believe hates your guts is pretty damn stalkerish and defiant.
[19:26:15] * Azure chuckles
[19:26:17] <Azure> It is.
[19:26:25] <Shentino> So you see now what it was I actually meant.
[19:26:55] <Azure> Yes, but in the future try to avoid making comments about how I feel about someone if you don't ask me for them.
[19:27:04] <Azure> I try very hard to avoid being vindictive even if it makes me uncomfortable.
[19:27:22] <Shentino> No worries. I don't think it's going to be relevant going forward at any rate.
[19:27:32] * Azure nods
[19:27:34] <Azure> Well, I hope not.
[19:27:39] <Azure> Ideally he'll just leave me alone.
[19:27:55] <Shentino> I assume that means staying the fuck out of #affection completely aside from the ban he caught from true
[19:30:15] <Shentino> anyway, I wasn't trying to speculate or make up random bullshit. I just took Agris's words at face value
[19:30:31] * Azure laughs
[19:30:41] <Azure> It means not sending me mail or otherwise bothering me offline.
[19:30:44] <Azure> OR online for that matter.
[19:30:57] <Shentino> Which obviously would preempt him from going to you to appeal the ban he got from true
[19:31:06] * Azure nods
[19:31:22] <Shentino> I mean it's kinda funny, he only told me about the beef you two had when I told him to go to you about said ban as true's boss
[19:31:35] <Shentino> you know, standard issue compliance with the chain of command and all that
[19:32:03] <Azure> I don't even have a beef with him. I told him I wasn't going to put up with him fussing at me then when he kept doing it I blocked him
[19:32:17] <Shentino> well like I said, I took his word at face value :P
[19:32:21] <Azure> My entire thought process on Agris is he could be a fine person if he had any concept of boundaries.
[19:33:12] <Shentino> anyway, I'm gonna just put the whole thing behind me. As a matter of principle though I stand by what I said and I think Agris made a very poor choice to even patronize your domain in the first place.
[19:33:45] * Azure nods
[19:33:47] <Azure> WELL.
[19:33:59] <Azure> I do agree he made a poor choice if, as I suspect, he was intentionally trying to follow me.
[19:34:38] <Shentino> I don't think it matters. Chanserv records are public and he should have known damn well that you owned the place and that should have been reason enough to stay the fuck out.
[19:34:47] * Azure nods their head
[19:35:36] <Shentino> As far as I'm concerned that trumps whether he actually did anything to deserve being banned over.
[19:35:52] <Shentino> Like I said, he was already persona non grata.
[19:36:02] <Azure> WELL. Honestly if he'd left me alone and not caused a problem I would have just let him stay.
[19:36:12] <Azure> I do like to try to be fair to people.
[19:36:56] <Shentino> I suppose you have a point. I mean it is kinda dickish to ban someone just because you don't like them. Ironically he was making that same point himself in regards to this "foxens" person who keeps getting kicked off furnet for ban evasion
[19:38:54] <Azure> Ban evasion is, per se, a sign that someone can't be trusted. Someone I merely dislike, if I can trust them to leave me alone, is one thing.
[19:39:16] <Azure> But if people are notable for block/ban evading, then that indicates they feel at liberty to ignore people's desire to be left alone and try to push their presence on people anyway.
[19:39:21] <Shentino> Yeah, I was quite adamant that foxens needed to respect his ban and get squared away with the ircops before he even thought about using our community as a resource to help him. Agris, of course, decided to argue with me tooth and nail about it.
[19:39:35] * Azure chuckles
[19:41:43] <Shentino> I actually appreciate you coming to me. I was very surprised to find out that I'd caused any potential troubles. Honestly though it sounds like the message got mangled a bit on the way to your eyes.
[19:42:00] <Shentino> Honestly it sounds like a big misunderstanding
[19:43:36] <Shentino> Though in the hypothetical future I'd probably verify agris's bullcrap with you *first* before I go spouting off any hearsay
[19:43:58] <Shentino> My mistake was trusting agris to be candid
[19:45:28] <Azure> Yes, thank you.
[19:45:30] <Azure> And, well.
[19:45:45] <Azure> Really in the future I'd say just wait until the admin involved can comment on it.
[19:58:55] <Shentino> You have my condolences for dealing with all of this bullshit btw
[19:59:08] <Azure> Oh, well, thank you.
[20:06:38] <Shentino> btw I heard a rumor from agris that truewolves wanted me to get a warning or something
[20:15:05] <Azure> I have no idea.
[20:15:44] <Shentino> *shrugs* nvm then
[20:16:01] <Azure> I'm only finding out anything that happened now, really
[20:16:13] <Shentino> lol, fair enough
[20:16:30] <Shentino> Agris got some bee in my bonnet that true has it in for me or something