13 May 2022 12:08 with Ramuki in cybersnoot@conference.nuegia.net
Ramuki [12:08:37]
why did you get banned from furnet this time?
#digestion
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that was at least 23 hours ago
so you were banned around noon my time
well at this point you're liable to get a ban evasion charge on your "rap sheet" if you don't talk to the opers about it before coming back
and what did they say?
I don't know either
Someone on the ircop team doesn't like you
I don't know, but only they have the technical power to actually ban you
Ramuki [12:14:51]
I'd be careful about letting them make a case that you're ban evading. Once you get stuck with that they can sweep everything else under the rug.
That's not my point
It's not about whether or not you're banned, it's already obvious that you are.
It's about whether or not they can stick you with a ban evasion infraction as a legit looking excuse to keep you banned going forward
I do
depends on with who they would supposedly get in trouble with.
The final authority for channel affairs would be Arca.
Anything above that is network business.
Then no they aren't going to get in trouble
Well that's different
I thought you meant lying to arca
any network sanctions are between you and furnet opers
my guess is that you are persona non grata and they don't want to talk to you about it
That won't work
their hosting providers have the same relation to them that they have with arca
it's their private network and they can run it how they damn please, and unfair bans at the network level are not an infraction at the hosting level
just like unfair bans at the channel level are not an infraction at the network level
you'll have to take that up with a lawyer
but I can tell you that if you keep going back your "rap sheet" with them is going to get network ban evasion charges tacked on and that will give them a completely legitimate reason to
keep you banned even if the original ban was bullshit
then remove furnet from your client for now
actually, it is, if they say it is
and they'd consider it your fault the client automatically reconnected, but maybe explain that to them
they probably should have but in the meantime they could easily claim you're on notice by now and should damn well know you're banned.
Which in turn is going to give them a chance to brand you as an evader
I'm talking about the fact that you got banned. Like it or not, the error message you get from being disconnected IS your notice.
and stop trying to pressure me to leave furnet
what I'm trying to do is warn you how NOT to give them more excuses to get rid of you
You are not entitled to an explanation for your ban, I'm sorry. And yes that makes them assholes, but that doesn't excuse you defying a ban you know damn well exists.
What I don't want is for you to get nailed for ban evasion and give them an excuse to retroactively justify the ban
that doesn't make it ok to bandodge!
Fuck, just stop it
I don't have time to argue with you about this, I have chores to do irl
Ramuki [12:43:30]
You don't understand. *they* probably think you're bandodging, is my point.
[12:22:52] <Ramuki> Oh, I guess agris got banned again
[12:23:30] <catgirl> :v
[12:23:38] * catgirl looks at lymril
[12:24:59] <Ramuki> I'm not sure why though, the notice wasn't exactly very verbose
[12:27:59] <coppertiger> catgirl, unless kitty is hairless I don't think thats possible :P
[12:28:56] <coppertiger> wherever cats go, whatever they do: they leave a little fur behind :3
[12:28:58] <catgirl> he actually used to barely shed for the first few months i had him
[12:29:05] <coppertiger> hmm
[12:29:18] <catgirl> oh well :v
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[12:35:18] <Lymril> Agris is banned for acting like a spoiled kid and threatening people.
[12:35:36] <Lymril> He's not mature enough to be on this network, IOW.
[12:35:47] <catgirl> when was he banned?
[12:35:55] <Verliaqua> Seems like a pretty suitable judgement.
[12:36:22] <catgirl> i never really got to know him assuming we talked at all
[12:36:35] <blacksheep> o.o
[12:42:30] <Verliaqua> I think I only interacted with him a couple of times, but I don't recall those interactions being at all good.
Ramuki [12:47:45]
So yes you're banned and yes they know it and yes it's deliberate
your ban was no accident
#softpaws, just now
[12:47:41] <Lymril> It's weird. I have an akill on him that is supposed to prevent him from connecting, but for some odd reason the akill sometimes doesn't work. He's able to connect
anyway. So I have to delete the akill and put it back up to akill him. Not sure what's up with that. Nor is Stephen.
I don't know, but it seems clear enough they didn't ban you by accident
Ramuki [12:51:24]
The only question I answered was whether or not you were supposed to be banned or not. The answer is yes. Whether you deserve it is another question and unfortunately it's up to the
ircops
Ramuki [12:54:22]
well at least you know that you're deliberately being banned at this point, so I'd stop trying to connect
...that has nothing to do with what i told you
don't yell at me I'm just making sure you found out that the ban was no accident
From context, I would guess he's another ircop
Ramuki [13:09:48]
also get a load of this
[12:46:01] <Ramuki> Are there any ban evasion infractions on his rap sheet?
[12:47:41] <Lymril> It's weird. I have an akill on him that is supposed to prevent him from connecting, but for some odd reason the akill sometimes doesn't work. He's able to connect
anyway. So I have to delete the akill and put it back up to akill him. Not sure what's up with that. Nor is Stephen.
[12:52:57] <Ramuki> Why not leave the old akill in place as well?
[12:54:12] <coppertiger> that sounds like an unusual issue that might come from leaving something running without unloading/reloading it for a long time
[12:54:47] <coppertiger> I see that with windows programs, leave them running for days or more and they sometimes will act weird or just crash
[12:55:03] <cheapie> coppertiger: The ircd being three major versions out of date probably isn't helping matters either.
[12:55:22] * radicaledward snoofs lymril
[12:55:25] <cheapie> (3.2.10.6, latest is 6)
[12:55:36] * Lymril snuffs Ed.
[12:56:25] <Lymril> Ramuki: It's the same akill line. I can't put in a new one without removing the old because they are exactly the same line.
[12:56:40] <coppertiger> true
[12:56:40] <Ramuki> ...if it's verbatim the same then yeah that smells more like a bug
[12:57:31] <Ramuki> ...how often do furnet's irc servers go down for maintenance/upgrades?
[12:57:47] <cheapie> Approximately never.
[12:57:49] <coppertiger> it could be a bug, but since its not consistently happening it would not be a fun one to figure out. Although updating the instance might fix it but :P
[12:58:00] * Ramuki puts cheapie's comment together with coppertiger's
[12:58:06] <Lymril> It is verbatim the same. I asked Stephen if the addy might be in another list somewhere causing the akill be be over-ridden. He said he'd look into it later.
[12:58:26] <Ramuki> In the meantime I'd advise arranging an ircd upgrade
[12:58:45] <Lymril> We've been trying to make that happen for years.
[12:59:02] <Ramuki> who all needs to be involved? I'm guessing contact with the admins of the other furnet servers is a bit flaky
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[12:59:48] <Lymril> They don't come here anymore. They've all gone to discord or whatever. We're lucky they leave the IRCD running at all.
[13:00:19] <cheapie> I did talk to Stephen a while back about this, it does sound like he's familiar with the upgrade path to 6, but neither of the two remaining opers (him and Lymril)
have the necessary access to upgrade *any* of the servers.
[13:00:40] <Ramuki> so, key question perhaps, who owns the furnet.org domain name?
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[13:02:57] <Ramuki> and is it the same person who has access to furnet's twitter account etc
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[13:03:35] <Lymril> Ramuki: Last I heard, it's someone who hasn't been on FurNet in over a decade.
[13:03:38] <Thedinosaur> Lymril: Ship of Theseus. v:
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[13:04:30] <Ramuki> ...ouch
[13:04:49] <Ramuki> well, so much for an orderly migration
[13:05:05] <Ramuki> I just hope furnet doesn't get freenoded
[13:05:09] <cheapie> Sometimes I wonder how an attempt to get people to pack up and move to another network (almost like the freenode->Libera move, but ideally a bit more orderly) would
go... thing is, I'm not sure there really is a decent target network for that.
[13:05:13] <Ramuki> LMFAO
[13:05:16] <Lymril> Yep, we're all rats on a sinking ship.
[13:05:30] <Ramuki> good god cheapie were you using telepathy to eavesdrop on my thoughts? XD
[13:06:04] <cheapie> The only other specifically furry networks I'm on are vulpineawoo and EntropyNet. EntropyNet would be the more promising of the two, but I don't know if they'd really
want to try to handle that many users even if people could be persuaded to move.
[13:06:14] <Ramuki> *cough*anthrochat*cough*
[13:06:33] <cheapie> AC was like 99.7% dead when I left it, I can't imagine it's much better now.
[13:06:38] <Verliaqua> Those who want to will find other places to lounge if the network goes down.
[13:07:12] <Ramuki> well cheapie the reason I even asked about the domain name is because it is the containing domain for the irc.furnet.org hostname that users use to connect to furnet
[13:07:14] <Lymril> No, there is another network that might take us in. Anyone remember Dracoline from when he was hanging around here?
[13:07:17] <coppertiger> can confirm, anthrochat is till 99% (or more) dead
[13:07:40] <cheapie> There *is* a ##furry channel on Libera that's already bigger than here, and also a ##furrysmut, but not a channel for every kink under the sun like here.
[13:07:42] <Ramuki> I was hoping that the dead servers could just be delisted until their users could soft-migrate and then be kicked completely
[13:07:55] <Lymril> I would not recommend Anthrochat. It's run by total assholes, if it's being run at all.
[13:08:05] <Ramuki> I know about the whole simba v snowpony thing :P
[13:08:08] <cheapie> Ramuki: irc.furnet.org is useless, it puts you on a broken server 90+% of the time.
[13:08:22] <Ramuki> cheapie: that's part of why I asked
[13:08:31] <Ramuki> whoever owns furnet.org also owns irc.furnet.org
[13:08:55] <Ramuki> and would therefore be the admin with access to decide which actual servers get connected to
[13:09:20] <Ramuki> I was hoping it was lymril or someone else at least active :P
Ramuki [13:16:22]
I think they're fucked
I know how anthrochat started
that's saying plenty
when I said snowpony v simba I wasn't kidding
I think they were both wrong
snowpony more so
Ramuki [13:22:22]
I don't have them handy right now
but the gist is they were both furnet admins and they got into a fight with each other
part of it involving snowpony apparently sticking her oper nose into channel business
I don't remember but it left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths
I don't have it handy, you'd have better luck googling it