File: <20220408-FurNet-Sierra-Azure>

  1. --- Log opened Fri Apr 08 20:41:49 2022
  2. 20:41 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  3. 20:41 Sierra | hello
  4. 20:41 *  Sierra pets you
  5. 20:42 Azure | Good evening.
  6. 20:42 Sierra | how are you?
  7. 20:42 Azure | Fine, thank you.
  8. 20:43 Sierra | did anything interesting recently?
  9. 20:44 Sierra | I am trying to decode GPS signals with an SDR
  10. 20:44 Azure | Oh, I just finished a delightful book called Piranisi. It's sort of a very well-mannered eldritch horror.
  11. 20:44 Sierra | cool
  12. 20:45 Sierra | I should try reading more sci-fi
  13. 20:46 Sierra | I started reading "Red Mars" and never got far into it
  14. 20:46 Sierra | though I liked it
  15. 20:47 Azure | Did you just lose interest or just run out of time?
  16. 20:48 Sierra | I think interest
  17. 20:48 Sierra | it was years ago
  18. 20:48 * Azure nods
  19. 20:48 Azure | I felt like that series had interesting THINGS IN IT but wasn't an interesting series.
  20. 20:48 Sierra | oh
  21. 20:48 Azure | There were lots of little storylets but the way they were bound together wasn't really compelling to me.
  22. 20:48 Azure | But I did rather like Arkady Bogdanov.
  23. 20:49 Sierra | that name sounds familiar, was it one of the original crewmembers?
  24. 20:49 Sierra | *were they
  25. 20:49 Azure | Yes. He was the Russian anarchist sent to one of Mars's moons
  26. 20:50 *  Sierra nods
  27. 20:50 Sierra | I remember that
  28. --- Log closed Fri Apr 08 20:55:35 2022
  29. --- Log opened Fri Apr 08 20:57:21 2022
  30. 20:57 *  Sierra nuzzles you
  31. 20:57 * Azure pets over your nose
  32. 20:58 *  Sierra purrs and licks
  33. 20:59 Sierra | yesterday I saw two cats cleaning themselves
  34. 20:59 Sierra | it was really cute
  35. 21:02 * Azure perks an ear
  36. 21:02 Azure | What kind of cats?
  37. 21:02 Azure | And were they doing the whole mutual grooming thing?
  38. 21:03 Sierra | yes, I'd say an albino one and a brown one
  39. 21:03 * Azure nods
  40. 21:03 Sierra | a floofy white one
  41. 21:08 *  Sierra hugs you
  42. 21:08 Sierra | how was macro march for you?
  43. 21:08 Azure | Fine, thank you.
  44. --- Log closed Fri Apr 08 21:14:35 2022
  45. --- Log opened Fri Apr 15 16:50:51 2022
  46. 16:50 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  47. 16:50 Sierra | hello
  48. 16:52 Sierra | hey knock it off
  49. 16:52 Azure | Yes?
  50. 16:52 Azure | I'm not doing anything.
  51. 16:52 Sierra | trying to get agris off of the internet, at least have the courtesy of telling them why
  52. 16:52 Azure | I'm not trying to get him off the Internet.
  53. 16:52 Azure | I'm trying to geth im to stop stalking me.
  54. 16:53 Sierra | in what way are they stalking you?
  55. 16:53 Azure | Continuing to try to contact me after being told to LEAVE ME ALONE.
  56. 16:53 Azure | They've tried to call me on the phone
  57. 16:53 Sierra | I'm honest because I only have their perspective and want to know yours
  58. 16:53 Azure | They've sent me mail
  59. 16:53 Azure | They told someone they were thinking of dropping in on me.
  60. 16:53 Sierra | oh
  61. 16:53 Azure | If I were trying to do anything BAD to Agris
  62. 16:54 Sierra | ok now i kind of understand
  63. 16:54 Azure | Wouldn't I have said something like "Agris is not to be trusted with any sensitive information and will abuse it to keep harassing you if you tell him to leave you alone."
  64. 16:54 Azure | NO.
  65. 16:54 Sierra | sorry
  66. 16:54 Azure | Really, if I were trying to DO SOMETHING BAD to him, don't you think I would have told you to avoid him?
  67. 16:54 Azure | When you asked?
  68. 16:54 Sierra | yes
  69. 16:54 Azure | Seriously.
  70. 16:55 Sierra | ok let me tell you something I know
  71. 16:55 Sierra | Agris thinks that you aren't in the best state of mind
  72. 16:55 Azure | I'm in a perfectly fine state of mind.
  73. 16:55 Azure | Except that I have a stalker who won't leave me alone.,
  74. 16:55 Sierra | I keep telling them that it's not their business
  75. 16:56 Sierra | but they keep saying they are worried about you
  76. 16:56 Azure | Then they shoul stop stalking me and I'll be much happier.
  77. 16:56 Azure | I am not out to get them. If I were then when they bother people into talking to me, don't you think I'd say...I don't know...more BAD STUFF?
  78. 16:57 Azure | ACTUAL bad stuff?
  79. 16:57 *  Sierra hugs you
  80. 16:57 Sierra | I'm sorry to get you this stressed
  81. 16:57 Azure | I'd been willing to discount this business as them being overemotional at first, but it's gone long enough I'm done putting up with it.
  82. 16:59 Sierra | it's just that they are now in a poor state of mind because of the constant banishing "without being told why"
  83. 17:00 Sierra | i'm trying to reason with them so that both of you are in good terms
  84. 17:00 Azure | BECAUSE THEY'RE STALKING MER.
  85. 17:00 Sierra | I know
  86. 17:01 *  Sierra hugs you
  87. 17:02 * Azure hugs you, shrugging, "If you're wondering that's why I generally try to be friendly but keep you at arm's length, because you keep bothering me about him."
  88. 17:02 Azure | Them.
  89. 17:02 Sierra | sorry, It won't happen again
  90. 17:03 Sierra | can you please answer some things before ending this discussion
  91. 17:03 Sierra | ?
  92. 17:03 Sierra | Because Agris keeps thinking there's an internet mob after them
  93. 17:03 Azure | No, there's no Internet mob after them.
  94. 17:04 Sierra | and I don't think it's an act
  95. 17:04 Azure | They just keep doing the same things and people keep responding the same way.
  96. 17:05 Sierra | can you be more specific?
  97. 17:05 Sierra | I see what you mean but I need to find a way to tell them about that
  98. 17:05 Azure | When people tell them to stop doing something they double down on it.
  99. 17:06 Sierra | ok that seems concise enough
  100. 17:06 Sierra | thanks
  101. 17:06 *  Sierra hugs you
  102. 17:06 Sierra | I also want to be your friend
  103. 17:06 Azure | They got thrown off Spindizzy /precisely/ because they kept insisting that someone they had harassed had to let them in their areas. Would not drop it, would not change the subject. I stepped back because they were harassing ME so I couldn't be impartial.
  104. 17:07 Azure | Nobody on Spindizzy will email them because NOBODY THERE LIKES THEM. Some people /did/
  105. 17:07 Azure | But by repeatedly trying to force their way back on they became 'That fake guest who keeps pretending to be someone else and won't stop bothering me.'
  106. 17:07 Azure | So nobody's /keeping them away from their friends/, they /have no friends there because they have no concept of boundaries and think non-stop whining is the key to getting their way/
  107. 17:08 Sierra | oh ok
  108. 17:09 Sierra | I guess the same thing happened here on irc?
  109. 17:10 Sierra | thanks for the information
  110. 17:10 Azure | I have no idea. I wasn't here for it. I told a chanop that he was bothering me but so long as he behaved and left me alone he could stay.
  111. 17:10 Sierra | ok
  112. 17:11 Azure | Apparently they didn't behave and when the chanop told him to stop it they wouldn't.
  113. 17:11 Sierra | I think that's enough to try and change some things
  114. 17:12 Sierra | I won't bother you with this anymore
  115. 17:12 Sierra | I hope we can be friends and don't hold this against each other
  116. 17:12 *  Sierra pets you
  117. 17:12 Azure | Oh, well, sure.
  118. 17:13 Azure | I won't hold it against you.
  119. 17:13 * Azure shrugs and noses into your hand
  120. 17:13 *  Sierra hugs you
  121. 17:13 * Azure chuckles, "Why do you want to be friend with me in particular, anyway?"
  122. 17:14 Sierra | It's good to have multiple giant foxes on your side
  123. 17:14 Sierra | specially one that knows more mathematics than me
  124. 17:15 Sierra | I've read about your shopping mall pool slide
  125. 17:15 Sierra | I had dreams about boring places with things that are out of the ordinary
  126. 17:16 * Azure chuckles
  127. 17:16 Azure | Oh, I forgot you read my blog.
  128. 17:17 Sierra | I should write a blog
  129. 17:17 Sierra | but I don't like HTML
  130. 17:17 Sierra | I have the crazy idea of typesetting the blog articles in LaTeX and hosting the whole website with pdf's that have hyperlinks to other pdf's
  131. 17:17 Azure | You can use markdown.
  132. 17:18 Azure | OH well.
  133. 17:18 Azure | Some people do that.
  134. 17:18 Azure | I don't like PDF myself, but at least one online magazine has gone that route.
  135. 17:18 Sierra | really?
  136. 17:19 Sierra | A friend told me pdf isn't accesible to people like them that need screen readers
  137. 17:19 Sierra | I still haven't sent them a test document since I can get the text using the less pager
  138. 17:20 Sierra | but only the one's that I've written in LaTeX
  139. 17:20 Sierra | I should try markdown
  140. 17:20 Sierra | or even try my hand at troff/nroff/groff
  141. 17:21 *  Sierra hugs you
  142. 17:22 Sierra | I've gotta go
  143. 17:22 Azure | Oh, fare well.
  144. 17:22 Sierra | glad I could talk to you
  145. 17:22 Azure | And, PDF is /less/ accessible
  146. 17:22 Azure | But it varies on the document.
  147. 17:23 Sierra | huh
  148. 17:25 Azure | Err, with.
  149. 17:25 Azure | Basically
  150. 17:25 Azure | PDFs are like postscript.
  151. 17:25 Azure | They're instructions on how to lay out images on the page, and some of this consists of 'Put this text here in this font'
  152. 17:26 Azure | So if you can select text with a mouse, it's accessible to a screenreader
  153. 17:26 Azure | If you can't it's just a 'picture of text'
  154. 17:26 Azure | If you see what I mean
  155. 17:26 Azure | Even then the text doesn't carry semantic annotations normally
  156. 17:26 Sierra | yes
  157. 17:26 Azure | But PDF now had the means to wrap it in something akin to an XML document and add information to make it more screenreader friendly
  158. 17:26 Azure | I don't know how often this is done,.
  159. 17:26 Azure | And I personally have no idea how to go about it.
  160. 17:26 Azure | Since I don't like PDF ;)
  161. 17:26 Azure | But if you do that'd be something to look into
  162. 17:27 Sierra | I'll check it out
  163. 17:29 * Azure nods their head
  164. 17:29 Sierra | because I've seen documents with text that can't be selected, libgeneis calls it OCR when you can select text
  165. 17:30 Sierra | and LaTeX does that by default
  166. 17:30 * Azure nods their head
  167. 17:30 Sierra | but the issue is that it doesn't distinguish between different types of text
  168. 17:30 Azure | I personally don't like PDF because it has a very specific idea of page size and line length
  169. 17:30 Azure | And font size
  170. 17:30 Azure | And so forth
  171. 17:30 Azure | And I need large print to be able to read
  172. 17:30 Sierra | oh
  173. 17:30 Azure | So if you have, say, a PDF document and blow it up you have to horizongally scroll back and forth
  174. 17:31 Azure | That kind of thing
  175. 17:31 Sierra | yes
  176. 17:31 Azure | It's why I prefer things like HTML
  177. 17:31 Azure | Of course
  178. 17:31 Azure | GOOD HTML.
  179. 17:31 Azure | Not the crap some people write.
  180. 17:32 Sierra | of course
  181. 17:34 * Azure waves a paw, "Anyway."
  182. 17:34 *  Sierra waves back, turning the wave to a pet
  183. 17:38 * Azure perks and nuzzles into the palm of your hand, closing their eyes
  184. 17:38 Sierra |  purrr
  185. 17:39 * Azure leans against your side, ears relaxing a little.
  186. --- Log closed Fri Apr 15 17:45:46 2022
  187. --- Log opened Fri Apr 15 17:52:58 2022
  188. 17:52 Sierra | hey one last thing about the previous topic
  189. 17:53 Azure | Yes?
  190. 17:53 Sierra | you don't have to answer anything, just as a different perspective
  191. 17:53 Sierra | It's not ok as a moderator to stand idly by while Agris gets harassed and bullied by others It's not a realistic expectation to ostracize Agris from the furry fandom or the internet because of whatever your disagreement is What you think is probably not what's really going on, and is a misunderstanding fueled by a lack of
  192. 17:53 Sierra |  communication which is not going to get better, only escalate and fester by contiuing the radio silence
  193. 17:54 Azure | I have not noticed anyone harassing him.
  194. 17:54 Azure | And I have no idea where you would get the idea I'm trying to ostracize anyone.
  195. 17:54 Azure | Have I tried to get you to avoid him?
  196. 17:54 Azure | Or said anything particularly bad about him except JUST NOW?
  197. 17:54 Sierra | no
  198. 17:54 Azure | Then I can't really be trying to ostracize him, can I/
  199. 17:55 Azure | If I wanted him out of my IRC channel I could have just kicked him out right then and there as soon as he showed up.
  200. 17:55 Azure | I gave him the opportunity that anyone else would have to hang out so long as he didn't bother me.
  201. 17:55 Azure | Seriously, can you honestly tell me you think I'm doing anything to him?
  202. 17:56 Sierra | no
  203. 17:57 Sierra | it's just that from my point of view which lacks a lot of information there seems to be a wave of shunning and bannings happening to agris all at once
  204. 17:58 Azure | If there is, I have nothing to do with it. And I suspect it's just because he gets in trouble and then goes about making the situation worse.
  205. 17:58 Sierra | and you don't want to deal with it, right?
  206. 17:59 Sierra | if it's on your platform I mean
  207. 17:59 Azure | Why would I want to deal with it? I'm not doing anything to him.
  208. 17:59 Sierra | by inaction?
  209. 18:01 Azure | My 'inaction' consists solely of not going 'Wow, this person is harassing me, I want to throw them out."
  210. 18:01 Azure | If he bothers people or breaks the rules then no I'm not going to go out of my way to stop it when the other administrators throw him out.
  211. 18:01 Azure | Spindizzy is also not /my/ platform.
  212. 18:04 Azure | I literally told him that he was stalking me and specifically told him to leave me alone.
  213. 18:04 Sierra | ok
  214. 18:04 Azure | If you told someone to leave you alone and they tried to call you out of nowhere, would you appreciate that?
  215. 18:04 Azure | Would you like them?
  216. 18:04 Sierra | no
  217. 18:04 Azure | Would you want them around?
  218. 18:04 Sierra | no
  219. 18:04 Azure | If you were me, would you have let Agris /sit in your IRC channel/ or would you have kicked him?
  220. 18:05 Azure | If someone says to me "Agris did something bad." I'm likely to believe them because Agris keeps harassing me.
  221. 18:05 Azure | Especially if it's consistent with their general pattern of actions.
  222. 18:05 Azure | Viz, whining nonstop believing this will somehow get their way, refusing to knock things off when told to.
  223. 18:06 Azure | I do not have a duty to protect the person stalking me from getting banned for doing the /exact same things/ taht would get someone else banned.
  224. 18:07 Sierra | I understand
  225. 18:07 Azure | His complaining about 'radio silence' is nonsense. I don't have an obligation to SPEND TIME WITH PEOPLE. I /particularly/ don't have an obligation to spend time with people who are harassing me.
  226. 18:08 Sierra | just needed more clarification
  227. 18:08 Sierra | I'm trying to fix things
  228. 18:09 Azure | There's honestly nothing to fix. I'm not doing anything to him.
  229. 18:09 Sierra | no, I mean help them fix their emotional situation
  230. 18:09 Azure | Ah
  231. 18:09 Azure | Well
  232. 18:09 Azure | Thank you.
  233. 18:09 Azure | Sorry, I'm just a bit angry at this point since I've been putting up with this all year.
  234. 18:09 Sierra | they are also my friend
  235. 18:10 Azure | I was more inclined to be sympathetic at first but as it's been going on for a while I am not.
  236. 18:10 Sierra | oh
  237. 18:11 *  Sierra hugs you
  238. 18:12 * Azure hugs you
  239. 18:12 Azure | I meant I was more inclined to be sympathetic to Agris back in January or February. At this point I am not.
  240. 18:13 Sierra | I don't personally seen them stalking but I understand that they are very persistent
  241. 18:13 Sierra | heck in fact I might seem more of a stalker to them
  242. 18:13 Sierra | I keep sending them messages each day
  243. 18:14 Azure | There's nothing wrong with that if they actually want to talk to you.
  244. 18:14 Sierra | just because they were one of the first friendships where I found an emotional connection
  245. 18:14 Azure | If they ask you to dial things back a bit, then of course you should, but if the two of you like each other, hang out all you can.
  246. 18:14 Sierra | yeah
  247. 18:15 Sierra | I /think/ I know when to shut up and let things rest
  248. 18:15 * Azure chuckles
  249. 18:15 *  Sierra hugs and rubs your fur
  250. 18:15 * Azure lifts an ear and perks up their ears, nosing back against your hand
  251. 18:16 *  Sierra rubs your ears
  252. 18:16 Sierra | why do you call yourself a predator of information?
  253. 18:16 Azure | Because I want to know everything and I'm good at figuring stuff out.
  254. 18:16 Azure | And, my emotions don't really map well onto normal human emotions, really. I'm something a bit wilder.
  255. 18:17 Sierra | I only have the former
  256. 18:17 Sierra | :P
  257. 18:17 Sierra | wanting to know everything
  258. 18:17 Azure | it's a good goal.
  259. 18:17 Sierra | a feral fox!
  260. 18:17 Azure | It's why I studied mathematics, linguistics, and music. It seemed a good start.
  261. 18:17 Sierra | lingua latina morta non est
  262. 18:18 Sierra | I'm trying to learn latin, refresh my maths with more rigor and learn the piano
  263. 18:18 Sierra | besides trying to build a future I want
  264. 18:18 Sierra | I'm seeing if I can join some research groups in my local college
  265. 18:18 Azure | Ooh, that's pretty good.
  266. 18:19 Azure | What research groups?
  267. 18:19 Sierra | right now it's one about working with a chinese company to develop NAND memory controllers
  268. 18:19 Sierra | It seemed good because I can learn about developing integrated circuits
  269. 18:20 Sierra | which helps in me getting some experience that an internship at a large company requires
  270. 18:21 Azure | Huh, interesting.
  271. 18:21 Sierra | my end goal is to detach myself from money
  272. 18:22 Azure | By being rich enough you don't have to care about it, or something else?
  273. 18:22 Sierra | have a lynx den in the woods
  274. 18:22 Azure | Ahhh.
  275. 18:22 Azure | Go off the grid.
  276. 18:22 Sierra | with a giant secret underground lab
  277. 18:22 Sierra | and a metalworking workshop
  278. 18:23 Sierra | stop worrying about money and start worrying about research, knowledge
  279. 18:23 Sierra | the stuff I want to worry about
  280. 18:24 Sierra | not necesarily isolate myself from "society" or "the matrix" but be able to in case things get hard
  281. 18:24 Sierra | and to also help others in their struggle
  282. 18:25 * Azure chuckles
  283. 18:25 * Azure nods their head
  284. 18:25 *  Sierra hugs you
  285. 18:25 Sierra | but small steps
  286. 18:25 *  Sierra likes hugs
  287. 18:25 Azure | I just like the idea of a giant underground lab.
  288. 18:25 * Azure perks and hugs you, curling their tail around your knees.
  289. 18:25 Sierra | like in deus ex
  290. 18:25 Azure | I've not played it.
  291. 18:25 Sierra | find a way to play it, it's really good
  292. 18:26 Sierra | political in the good ways
  293. 18:26 Sierra | asks about freedom, technology and class
  294. 18:27 Sierra | and the silly premise of "what if all the early 2000's conspiracy theories are real in the year 2052?"
  295. 18:27 * Azure nods
  296. 18:27 Azure | I don't really play many video games, they're a bit too visual for me to be able to get much out of.
  297. 18:29 Sierra | hey I now have to go
  298. 18:29 Sierra | glad we could talk
  299. 18:29 *  Sierra rubs your cheeks before going, piece of toast on his maw
  300. 18:30 Azure | Good night.
  301. 18:30 *  Sierra is late
  302. 18:30 Sierra | is it night where you are?
  303. 18:30 Azure | It's 19:30.
  304. 18:30 Sierra | it's 18:30 for me
  305. 18:30 Sierra | so yeah kinda night
  306. 18:31 *  Sierra gives you a tiger blanket
  307. 18:31 Sierra | good night
  308. 18:31 Azure | Good night.
  309. 18:31 Sierra | https://imagenes.milenio.com/ANM-0k8ALGu7RScSxQyGagxJyx8=/936x566/https://www.milenio.com/uploads/media/2020/11/24/origen-de-las-cobijas-de.jpg
  310. 18:32 Sierra | It's an image of the pattern in the blanket I gave you, has 2 tigers prowling
  311. 18:32 Sierra | nini
  312. 18:32 Azure | Well, that's pretty.
  313. --- Log closed Fri Apr 15 18:37:46 2022
  314. --- Log opened Fri Apr 15 19:58:07 2022
  315. 19:58              quit | Azure!~azure@40E91683:F23A1A8F:7E3C179:IP: [Quit: ⚡ Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-POP! ⚡]
  316. --- Log closed Fri Apr 15 20:03:46 2022
  317. --- Log opened Sat Apr 30 14:14:00 2022
  318. 14:14 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  319. 14:14 Sierra | hello
  320. 14:14 Sierra | how have you been?
  321. 14:15 Azure | Fine, thank you.
  322. 14:16 *  Sierra pets and nuzzles
  323. 14:17 * Azure noses into your hand.
  324. 14:17 Sierra | no macro for now?
  325. 14:17 Azure | Nope.
  326. 14:17 Azure | Quite the opposite.
  327. 14:18 Sierra | are you micro?
  328. 14:18 Sierra | or the size of a real fox?
  329. 14:19 Azure | I'm generally either bigger than average or smaller than average.
  330. 14:19 Azure | I don't really hang around normal size that often, except, sometimes, as a prelude to being made smaller.
  331. 14:22 *  Sierra nuzzles
  332. 14:22 Sierra | you are still cute, no matter the size
  333. 14:22 Sierra | did anything interesting recently?
  334. 14:23 Sierra | I'm trying to get back on programming
  335. 14:23 Azure | Oh, I've been drawing pictures badly
  336. 14:23 Sierra | though my midterm exams are coming up
  337. 14:23 * Azure chuckles and pets over your muzzle, "Well, thank you."
  338. 14:23 Sierra | really?
  339. 14:23 Azure | Yes.
  340. 14:23 Sierra | what are you drawing?
  341. 14:25 *  Sierra scritches your neck
  342. 14:26 Azure | Flowers, at the moment.
  343. 14:26 Sierra | nice
  344. 14:26 Azure | I don't actually know how to draw well, but I'm told if you draw badly for long enough drawing well /just happens/
  345. 14:26 * Azure bows their head and wags their tail slowly.
  346. 14:26 Sierra | yeah it's practice
  347. 14:26 Sierra | though knowing where to improve can help
  348. 14:27 Sierra | I have some issues with line quality, shaing and texturing
  349. 14:29 * Azure nods
  350. 14:29 Azure | I'm just playing with oil pastels for fun, really.
  351. 14:29 Sierra | does that reduce its value?
  352. 14:32 Sierra | I remember you said something in your blog about a water park-style attraction on a mall
  353. 14:33 Sierra | made me remember the attractions in malls I've been in
  354. 14:33 Sierra | I don't know why but a typical american mall has this eeriness and liminality to it
  355. 14:34 Sierra | like it's inherently anachronistic
  356. 14:35 * Azure chuckles
  357. 14:35 Azure | No.
  358. 14:35 Azure | It doesn't reduce its value, it's just an example of how I'm thinking about it.
  359. 14:35 Azure | Not really as something I expect to show people, just as a means of self-expression.
  360. 14:35 Azure | AND
  361. 14:35 Azure | It kind of is now.
  362. 14:35 Sierra | I get it now
  363. 14:36 Azure | I think malls were more a phenomenon of the 80s and the ones that hang around now are just sort of leftovers from that time.
  364. 14:36 Sierra | they started in the 50's
  365. 14:36 Sierra | had a "rebirth" in the 80's
  366. 14:36 Sierra | and yeah nowadays they seem leftovers from the era
  367. 14:37 Sierra | specially now since a lot of them of them got abandoned
  368. 14:37 Sierra | because of their unsustainable model
  369. 14:37 Sierra | and the fact they are more parking lot than mall
  370. 14:38 * Azure grins
  371. 14:38 Azure | That part's a bit odd considering they're natural bus terminals
  372. 14:38 Azure | But yes.
  373. 14:38 Sierra | but it's just the cleanliness in them, even when abandoned that makes it feel eerie
  374. 14:39 Sierra | I went to a mall the other day searching for a camping store, I came around a section with spaces for rent and closed shops
  375. 14:39 Sierra | it felt eerie
  376. 14:40 Sierra | like I shouldn't be there
  377. 14:40 Sierra | the lack of people
  378. 14:40 Sierra | compared to the warm feeling of mall memories as a kid
  379. 14:41 * Azure chuckles
  380. 14:41 Azure | I think that's why I don't get into vaporwave.
  381. 14:42 Azure | Because I don't have warm memories of the mall, I have memories of being dragged there and being intensely bored
  382. 14:42 Azure | When I'd rather stay home and read.
  383. 14:42 Sierra | I also have that
  384. 14:42 Sierra | I hate going to malls as "entertainment"
  385. 14:43 Sierra | the only times were I had fun in a mall was when I or my parents spent money
  386. 14:43 Azure | WELL. The one I did like was when I could go to the various electronic component stores and pick up the books on hobbyist electronics.
  387. 14:44 Sierra | I didn't have that experience
  388. 14:44 Sierra | were I'm from we don't have much industry
  389. 14:45 Sierra | no DIY spirit
  390. 14:45 Sierra | what I did was going to a store with a 1920's/1940's aesthetic and read the magazines
  391. 14:46 * Azure smiles
  392. 14:46 Azure | Well, that sounds kind of nice.
  393. 14:47 *  Sierra hugs
  394. 14:47 Sierra | yeah, those stores are still around
  395. 14:48 Sierra | when I was finishing highschool/starting college I went there once a week to check if they had stock on a collection kit
  396. 14:48 Sierra | I collected minerals
  397. 14:48 Sierra | it came with a nice box
  398. 14:49 Sierra | some magazines with info on them and a binder with fact sheets on minerals and gems
  399. 14:49 Sierra | though my favourite was an older one which I only had one issue which talked about maths and came with a puzzle
  400. 14:50 Azure | What was it called?
  401. 14:51 Sierra | I don't remember it
  402. 14:51 Sierra | let me find a picture
  403. 14:51 * Azure nods
  404. 14:52 Sierra | I think it's called "ball pyramid"
  405. 14:52 * Azure nods their head
  406. 14:53 Sierra | you had prefixed arrangements of balls and you would use them to form a pyramid
  407. 14:54 Sierra | and the magazine issue talked about logarithms
  408. 14:54 Sierra | and just now in my engineering classes we're talking about decibels
  409. 14:55 *  Sierra nuzzles
  410. 14:59 Sierra | I'm scared
  411. 14:59 * Azure nuzzles under your chin, then pads over and hugs you, closing their eyes
  412. 14:59 Azure | Scared?
  413. 14:59 Sierra | I started checking out what I need if I wanted to be with a friend in the US
  414. 15:00 Sierra | then realized that It all depends on me getting a job
  415. 15:00 Sierra | which I doubt they would hire a recently graduated inmigrant
  416. 15:01 Azure | I forget, where are you from?
  417. 15:01 Sierra | mexico
  418. 15:01 Azure | You can probably apply for a visa to come up for a vacation.
  419. 15:01 Sierra | I have that one
  420. 15:01 Sierra | but need a different one to work
  421. 15:02 Sierra | and another one to study
  422. 15:02 * Azure nods their head.
  423. 15:02 Azure | You're at a university in Mexico, now?
  424. 15:02 Sierra | yes
  425. 15:02 Azure | Well, I hope you can get it.
  426. 15:02 Sierra | starting to find ways to study a masters
  427. 15:02 Sierra | though in the US it would be a bad idea
  428. 15:02 Azure | OH, excellent.
  429. 15:02 Azure | Why's that?
  430. 15:03 Azure | Just because of the ridiculously high cost?
  431. 15:03 Sierra | I can't get US funding/scholarships
  432. 15:03 * Azure nods
  433. 15:03 Sierra | and the cost is double of what I pay in the "best private university in the country/latin america"
  434. 15:03 Sierra | which is a strain on my family
  435. 15:04 Sierra | luckily my grades are good enough to say I am not messing around
  436. 15:04 * Azure nods their head
  437. 15:04 Azure | Used to be the US would try to get the smartest people from all around the world to come here.
  438. 15:04 Sierra | and doing stuff like using the labs por personal projects
  439. 15:05 Sierra | I think the DoD/DARPA still wants that
  440. 15:05 Sierra | but now it's not just being good at something
  441. 15:05 Sierra | it's being subservient to the employer
  442. 15:06 Sierra | I'm slowly working on making my own mechanical pencil
  443. 15:07 Sierra | because the one I have broke
  444. 15:07 Azure | Oh? Out of metal or plastic or wood or what?
  445. 15:07 Sierra | metal
  446. 15:07 * Azure smiles, lifting an ear, 'What are you doing, carving it out of blanks or something?"
  447. 15:07 Azure | My father used to be a metalworker so everything I know is from him talking about it.
  448. 15:07 Sierra | right now designing it in CAD
  449. 15:08 Sierra | my plan is to use a commercial mechanical pencil mechanism but make the case
  450. 15:08 Sierra | make it retractable with a bolt-action mechanism
  451. 15:09 Sierra | add a lead hardness indicator
  452. 15:09 Sierra | and buy some nice erasers
  453. 15:09 Sierra | the one I had broke from a plastic thread
  454. 15:10 Sierra | it's the second pencil which I had that happen
  455. 15:10 * Azure nods their head
  456. 15:10 Sierra | I fixed it with superglue
  457. 15:10 Sierra | so it still writes
  458. 15:10 Sierra | but now I can't retract it
  459. 15:10 * Azure nods
  460. 15:10 Sierra | I wanted to make that piece out of metal for a long time
  461. 15:11 Sierra | but now that I'm looking for a new one I want one with many features from other manufacturers
  462. 15:11 Sierra | because the one that looks to be more robust is the rOtring 800 but costs 3 times as my current one
  463. 15:11 Sierra | which is still expensive for a mechanical pencil
  464. 15:12 *  Sierra hugs
  465. 15:12 Sierra | I fell in love with metalworking after watching some lathe videos
  466. 15:12 Sierra | the feeling of making something out of metal
  467. 15:12 Sierra | it brings me joy
  468. 15:13 Sierra | but yeah turning the pencil out of aluminium blanks
  469. 15:14 Sierra | eventually I want to have my own lathe
  470. 15:14 * Azure leans back, "How long have you been doing it?"
  471. 15:14 Sierra | 1 semester
  472. 15:14 Sierra | stopped due to the pandemic
  473. 15:14 Sierra | and now that I'm in another campus with more people the workshop doesn't have much space
  474. 15:15 Sierra | and I don't have much time either
  475. 15:15 Sierra | specially when our professors ask for multiple research/mathematics/simulation reports in the same week
  476. 15:16 Sierra | one of them felt like our final project 2 semesters ago
  477. 15:16 Sierra | in terms of workload
  478. 15:17 *  Sierra hugs
  479. 15:17 Sierra | what did your dad make?
  480. 15:18 * Azure chuckles and hugs you, petting you with both hands
  481. 15:18 Azure | Cars.
  482. 15:18 Azure | Car bodies, in particular.
  483. 15:18 Sierra | cool
  484. 15:18 Azure | He worked for GM, and at first he would build fixtures, so when they came up with a new car body he'd make a specialized frame for each part that could be used to bend and compress it to make sure it had the strength it was supposed to
  485. 15:19 Azure | Later on he switched over to building, by hand, the first prototypes of a new car body that they'd then crash into stuff.
  486. 15:19 Sierra | interesting
  487. 15:20 *  Sierra pets you with both hands
  488. 15:20 Sierra | how was your college experience?
  489. 15:20 Sierra | I keep feeling that I need to overacheive in some way
  490. 15:22 Sierra | hearing stories from students who participate in competitive sports, participate in entrepenourship competitions and during the weekend go to the best parties
  491. 15:22 * Azure grins and scratches their chin.
  492. 15:22 Sierra | while I'm here focusing on coursework, talking to people on the internet and sleeping
  493. 15:22 Azure | Oh, it had its ups and downs.
  494. 15:23 Azure | I had a little trouble due to being a bit crazy at spots but ultimately things worked out quite well. I spent most of it just pursuing my interests.
  495. 15:23 Azure | And ended up working for the university in a couple capacities.
  496. 15:23 Sierra | mhm
  497. 15:23 Sierra | I might try that next semester
  498. 15:24 Azure | Like, I had such an excellent sense of pitch that the music department hired me to try and teach people with problems to do better.
  499. 15:24 Sierra | nice
  500. 15:25 Sierra | I'm working on a research group to develop an electric car charger, I need to work on it to keep my scholarship
  501. 15:26 Sierra | and a professor is starting to promise something for a masters if I help in researching NAND memory controllers
  502. 15:26 Sierra | but I am not holding my breath for that one
  503. 15:27 Sierra | I just feel mediocre
  504. 15:28 Sierra | like I could just disappear and things could get better for the ones around me
  505. 15:28 Sierra | these feelings worsen when I am stressed but also come on their own
  506. 15:28 *  Sierra hugs
  507. 15:29 Sierra | and I came here on furnet to stave off the lonelyness I get
  508. 15:29 Sierra | sorry for venting
  509. 15:29 Sierra | it's just that I'm scared
  510. 15:29 * Azure returns
  511. 15:30 Azure | It's all right.
  512. 15:30 * Azure pads over and pets you softly with both paws.
  513. 15:30 Azure | And you don't sound mediocre to me, you sound very driven and curious nad active.
  514. 15:30 Sierra | purrrr
  515. 15:30 Sierra | thanks
  516. 15:33 Sierra | then I think it's toxic productivity
  517. 15:34 Sierra | currently drawing a lynx
  518. 15:34 Sierra | while watching camping food videos
  519. 15:35 Sierra | I want to go camping
  520. 15:35 Sierra | though I don't have much friends or stuff for camping
  521. 15:35 * Azure grins
  522. 15:35 Azure | Have you ever been?
  523. 15:36 Sierra | no
  524. 15:36 Sierra | the most I've done is go for hikes
  525. 15:36 Sierra | but return in the evening
  526. 15:36 Sierra | my parents used to take me to a forest the family owned
  527. 15:37 Sierra | my grandfather sold the wood on the forest and did something that was like crop rotation but for trees
  528. 15:37 Sierra | to not destroy the forest
  529. 15:37 Sierra | and provide for the future
  530. 15:38 Sierra | we used to go there by car then take a hike somewhere, look at the place and have lunch
  531. 15:38 Sierra | then go back home
  532. 15:38 Sierra | and on my own I've gone alone to climb a mountain on a well known trail
  533. 15:39 Sierra | I couldn't reach the summit due to the heat
  534. 15:39 Sierra | it was 10 am and I was covered in sweat
  535. 15:39 * Azure nods their head
  536. 15:39 Sierra | I still got a nice view from there
  537. 15:39 Azure | Well, good.
  538. 15:40 Sierra | but no overnight camping
  539. 15:40 Sierra | where I cook my food
  540. 15:40 Sierra | though I want to someday
  541. 15:41 Sierra | be away from civilation for a while
  542. 15:42 * Azure nods their head
  543. 15:43 Sierra | do you like camping?
  544. 15:48 Azure | Sometimes, but I don't really crave it.
  545. 15:48 Azure | Also without a car you can't really get very far.
  546. 15:48 Sierra | yeah
  547. 15:49 Sierra | I don't like cars as the defacto method of transport
  548. 15:49 * Azure nods
  549. 15:49 Sierra | I miss the times when I fell asleep on the bus on the way back home
  550. 15:50 * Azure smiles
  551. 15:50 *  Sierra smiles
  552. 15:51 *  Sierra is a sleepy lynx
  553. --- Log closed Sat Apr 30 15:56:01 2022
  554. --- Log opened Sat Apr 30 15:56:09 2022
  555. 15:56 Azure | Are you going to curl up?
  556. 15:56 Sierra | no
  557. 15:56 Sierra | it was just a description
  558. 15:56 Sierra | I have a weird sleep schedule
  559. --- Log closed Sat Apr 30 16:02:01 2022
  560. --- Log opened Sat Apr 30 16:12:19 2022
  561. 16:12 * Azure nods
  562. 16:12 Azure | Me, too.
  563. --- Log closed Sat Apr 30 16:18:01 2022
  564. --- Log opened Sat Apr 30 16:25:30 2022
  565. 16:25 *  Sierra hugs
  566. 16:27 * Azure smiles and hugs you, petting you softly
  567. 16:29 *  Sierra pets back, nuzzuling and kissing your cheeks
  568. 16:30 * Azure perks and laps over your nose, then scritches under your chin with the fingerclaws of one hand
  569. 16:35 *  Sierra purrs, nibbling your eas
  570. 16:35 Sierra | *ears
  571. 16:37 * Azure grins and flicks their other ear, reaching up to pet your cheek
  572. 16:38 Sierra | purr
  573. 16:38 *  Sierra pets your cheeks, some light rubbing
  574. 16:40 * Azure nuzzles against your fingers, relaxing their ears a bit and rubbing their cheek against your hand, whiskers fanning out
  575. --- Log closed Sat Apr 30 16:46:01 2022
  576. --- Log opened Sat Apr 30 17:03:55 2022
  577. 17:03 *  Sierra rubs and grabs your cheecks, starting to comb your fur
  578. 17:06 * Azure chuckles and holds their head still for the grooming
  579. --- Log closed Sat Apr 30 17:12:01 2022
  580. --- Log opened Sat Apr 30 17:56:34 2022
  581. 17:56 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  582. 17:56 Sierra | hewwo
  583. 17:56 * Azure yips
  584. 17:56 *  Sierra pets
  585. 17:57 Sierra | disappeared into the ether
  586. 17:57 * Azure lies down and nuzzles against your hand
  587. 17:57 Sierra | had a nice lunch there
  588. 17:57 Sierra | then reappeared at another place
  589. 17:58 Sierra | needing to work
  590. 17:58 * Azure nods their head
  591. 17:58 *  Sierra hugs
  592. 17:58 Sierra | does that happen to you?
  593. 17:58 Azure | Going to work, now?
  594. 17:58 Sierra | eh more like doing homework
  595. 17:58 Azure | What, disappearing to do stuff?
  596. 17:58 Azure | Sometimes.
  597. 17:59 Sierra | into the ether
  598. 18:01 Azure | Now and again
  599. 18:01 *  Sierra bleps
  600. 18:01 * Azure yawns and rubs their eyes
  601. 18:01 *  Sierra yawns as a reflex
  602. 18:01 Sierra | you are a cute fox
  603. 18:02 *  Sierra pets again
  604. 18:02 Sierra | *pet pet pet*
  605. 18:02 * Azure chuckles and bows their head at the petting, wagging their tail quickly
  606. 18:02 Azure | Am I?
  607. 18:02 Azure | Well, thank you.
  608. 18:02 Sierra | smort foxxo
  609. 18:03 Sierra | that outshines me in maths
  610. 18:03 Sierra | and music
  611. 18:03 Sierra | I don't know how to play the piano
  612. 18:03 Azure | I don't know if music is me being SMART so much as it is me being /weird/
  613. 18:03 Azure | I suspect I just perceive music differently than a lot of other people.
  614. 18:04 Sierra | you hear all music in another key?
  615. 18:04 Azure | Nono.
  616. 18:05 Azure | Just…
  617. 18:05 Azure | Perhaps more intensely, in more detail. I wake up from dreams with songs from the dreams in my head.
  618. 18:05 Sierra | oh
  619. 18:06 Sierra | so maths was just a curiosity?
  620. 18:10 Azure | I actually studied mathematics, that actually is me being smart :)
  621. 18:12 Sierra | uwu
  622. 18:12 Sierra | smort foxxo
  623. 18:12 * Azure chuckles and pets you
  624. 18:13 *  Sierra purrs, splaying his ears and closing his eyes
  625. --- Log closed Sat Apr 30 18:19:06 2022
  626. --- Log opened Sat Apr 30 18:23:35 2022
  627. 18:23 Sierra | purr
  628. 18:23 * Azure leans against you, closing their eyes
  629. 18:23 *  Sierra paws at you
  630. 18:24 * Azure perks and noses into one of your paws
  631. --- Log closed Sat Apr 30 18:30:06 2022
  632. --- Log opened Sat Apr 30 21:49:45 2022
  633. 21:49 *  Sierra licks
  634. 21:50 * Azure yips and shakes out, then licks back
  635. 21:50 Sierra | uwu
  636. 21:50 Sierra | was busy
  637. 21:50 Azure | Hi, there.
  638. 21:50 Azure | Oh, that's fine.
  639. 21:51 Sierra | programming in MATLAB a program that calculated some performance factors in an fibre optic network
  640. 21:51 Sierra | was tedious
  641. 21:52 * Azure nods
  642. 21:52 Azure | The one thing I dislike about the Julia programming language is that its designers used a lot of MATLAB ;)
  643. 21:52 Sierra | oh
  644. --- Log closed Sat Apr 30 21:56:54 2022
  645. --- Log opened Sat Apr 30 21:57:31 2022
  646. 21:57 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  647. 21:57 Sierra |  
  648. 21:57 *  Sierra buffers back into existence
  649. 21:57 Sierra | hewwo
  650. 21:57 Sierra | ran out of power
  651. 21:58 Azure | Welcome back
  652. 22:01 *  Sierra meows
  653. 22:02 * Azure ♪ awrOOOooos? ♪
  654. 22:02 Sierra | rawr
  655. 22:06 *  Sierra pets
  656. 22:07 Sierra | I'm practicing my C programming with the ANSI C book
  657. 22:07 * Azure lies down under your hand, rubbing their head up against it.
  658. 22:07 Azure | Oh?
  659. 22:09 Sierra | I'm doing the exerc
  660. 22:09 Sierra | *exercises in the textbook
  661. 22:09 * Azure nods their head
  662. 22:10 Sierra | because I'm cannot say I know how to program
  663. 22:10 Azure | You can somewhat, if you know Matlab.
  664. 22:11 Azure | It's a perfectly legitimate even if special purpose programming language.
  665. 22:11 Sierra | yeah
  666. 22:12 Sierra | but I prefer C
  667. 22:12 Sierra | I like the idea of simple programs joined together to make complex stuff
  668. 22:13 * Azure nods their head
  669. 22:13 *  Sierra nuzzles
  670. 22:14 * Azure pets over your muzzle.
  671. 22:15 Sierra | purr
  672. 22:17 *  Sierra floofs
  673. 22:18 * Azure yips and fluffs up, then nuzzles into your paw
  674. --- Log closed Sat Apr 30 22:48:45 2022
  675. --- Log opened Sun May 01 02:41:29 2022
  676. 02:41 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  677. 02:41 Sierra | I thought you spiraled already
  678. 02:41 *  Sierra snugs beside you
  679. 02:42 Azure | I got distracted from spiraling.
  680. 02:42 * Azure leans back against you.
  681. 02:43 Sierra | distracted by what?
  682. 02:43 Sierra | me?
  683. 02:44 Azure | Oh, no.
  684. 02:44 Azure | You were idle :)
  685. 02:45 *  Sierra hugs you
  686. 02:45 Azure | Just talking to a couple people and having weird conversations with one person who was making me smaller and also telling me their weird headcanon theories about anime at once.
  687. 02:45 * Azure pets you
  688. 02:46 *  Sierra counterpets
  689. 02:46 * Azure yawns and noses against your hand.
  690. 02:46 Sierra | as in RP smaller or emotionally small?
  691. 02:46 Azure | RP Smaller.
  692. 02:46 Sierra | oh
  693. 02:47 Azure | THOUGH I do think macro/micro stuff is emotionally quite affecting, too, in a pleasant way.
  694. 02:47 Sierra | oh nice
  695. 02:47 Azure | Getting caught by your now-giant friend can be a pretty nice feeling.
  696. 02:48 Sierra | uwu
  697. 02:50 Azure | I'm a bit weird.
  698. 02:52 Sierra | aren't we all here?
  699. 02:53 Azure | I guess.
  700. 02:54 Sierra | I always got treated like the weird one in school and by my family
  701. 02:54 * Azure nods their head.
  702. 02:54 Sierra | because I liked technical stuff and spoke my mind about my opinions
  703. 02:55 Azure | Which opinions did your family find particularly strange?
  704. 02:55 Sierra | I didn't want to have kids, I was a picky eater
  705. 02:55 Sierra | saying that spanking your kids was bad
  706. 02:56 Sierra | or what usually got me into hour long discussions, LGBT rights
  707. 02:56 Sierra | my dad saying why did I defend them if I am not one of them
  708. 02:57 Sierra | dismissing them as degenerated
  709. 02:57 Sierra | but now I'm starting to feel confused
  710. 02:57 Azure | Oh?
  711. 02:57 Azure | Confused about what?
  712. 02:57 Sierra | my sexuality
  713. 02:58 Azure | Well.
  714. 02:58 Azure | I may be a crazy, old fox.
  715. 02:58 Azure | But I can probably give you one piece of advice that's useful.
  716. 02:58 Sierra | though that would make my dad want to kick me out and disown me
  717. 02:59 Sierra | specially since I got threatened to get kicked out of the house because I said I was atheist
  718. 02:59 Sierra | sorry continue
  719. 02:59 Azure | Well, that's not good.
  720. 02:59 Azure | My parents threatened that to me once but didn't and I knew they wouldn't.
  721. 02:59 Azure | I know other parents are worse.
  722. 02:59 Azure | SO.
  723. 03:00 Sierra | well I'm not sure with my dad, he gets emotional sometimes and others he takes action
  724. 03:00 Azure | Your sexuality is not an important fact about you. It's like what flavors of ice cream you like. You MAY mostly prefer the opposite sex. You may exclusively prefer the opposite sex. You might like both. For a lot of people it's difficult to know what they actually like because there's so much social pressure.
  725. 03:00 Sierra | oh
  726. 03:00 Azure | People who have been attracted to a woman might think they're ENTIRELY STRAIGHT because being gay is this WHOLE IDENTITY
  727. 03:01 Azure | I've known people who discovered they were gay, then found themselves attracted to a woman and then had this big crisis because WAS BEING GAY JUST A LIE?
  728. 03:01 Azure | Obviously it's not, you might just happen to be attracted to a preponderance of people who are men or women or whatever.
  729. 03:01 * Azure waves a paw
  730. 03:02 Azure | But practically you can at least explore your feelings online without much risk of your parents finding out.
  731. 03:02 Sierra | yeah, also IRL for now
  732. 03:02 Sierra | until 
  733. 03:02 Azure | Well, yes, while you're at school.
  734. 03:02 Sierra | I go back with them for the holidays
  735. 03:02 Azure | And eventually if you move out.
  736. 03:02 * Azure nods
  737. 03:03 Azure | If you do decide you like guys, or even just a small number of guys, you can always wait until you're moved out and secure to come out.
  738. 03:03 Sierra | I think I'm sexually straight, I don't like the markers of masculinity
  739. 03:03 Sierra | or dicks for that matter
  740. 03:03 Sierra | including mine
  741. 03:03 Sierra | but emotionally I want to live with and hug agris
  742. 03:04 Sierra | might just be that I felt a genuine friendship with them
  743. 03:04 Azure | Well! You can hug people without wanting to have sex with them.
  744. 03:04 Azure | I'm asexual, I don't want to have sex with anyone.
  745. 03:04 Sierra | yes
  746. 03:04 Azure | But I'll happily hug people I like.
  747. 03:04 *  Sierra hugs
  748. 03:04 Sierra | maybe
  749. 03:04 * Azure pets you
  750. 03:05 Sierra | just the naughty RP we had might muddy the waters a bit
  751. 03:05 * Azure chuckles
  752. 03:05 Azure | Well, there's nothing really lost by experimenting.
  753. 03:05 Sierra | though I know how to separate the fursona from the person
  754. 03:05 Sierra | and I want to stop feeling lonely
  755. 03:05 Sierra | like everyone just tolerates me
  756. 03:06 * Azure nods
  757. 03:06 Sierra | but doesn't allow me into their lives and viceversa
  758. 03:06 Sierra | its just convenient for both of us to be friends
  759. 03:06 *  Sierra hugs
  760. 03:07 * Azure perks, hugging you and petting your back
  761. 03:07 Sierra | I think its just me being needy
  762. 03:07 Azure | I mean, there's nothing WRONG with wanting to be loved and appreciated and understood.
  763. 03:09 Sierra | I feel there's a but afterwards
  764. 03:10 Azure | Oh, no.
  765. 03:10 Azure | No but.
  766. 03:10 Sierra | okk
  767. 03:10 Azure | You might be 'needy' but it's a legitimate NEED. People want to feel close to others.
  768. 03:12 * Azure yawns and rubs their eyes
  769. 03:13 *  Sierra hugs and nuzzles
  770. 03:13 *  Sierra yawns
  771. 03:13 Azure | Are you going to sleep?
  772. 03:13 Sierra | maybe
  773. 03:13 Sierra | it's getting very late for me
  774. 03:13 * Azure nods
  775. 03:14 Sierra | though I need to plan if I can go another week without buying more groceries
  776. 03:14 Sierra | I'm going to have exams so most of the time I'll be eating cafeteria food
  777. 03:15 * Azure nods
  778. 03:15 Azure | Well, good night for now
  779. 03:15 Sierra | good night
  780. 03:16              quit | Azure!~azure@40E91683:F23A1A8F:7E3C179:IP: [Quit: ⚡ Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-POP! ⚡]
  781. 03:16 *  Sierra gives you his tiger blanket
  782. --- Log closed Sun May 01 03:16:07 2022
  783. --- Log opened Tue May 03 15:45:18 2022
  784. 15:45 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  785. 15:45 Sierra | hello
  786. 15:45 *  Sierra pets
  787. 15:46 Sierra | the school library smells of student tears
  788. 15:47 Sierra | no talk today, only affection
  789. 15:47 *  Sierra puts cutesy cat eyes
  790. 15:49 * Azure perks and hugs you, wrapping you in their tail
  791. 15:53 *  Sierra hugs back, unable to wrap you in his tail as its short
  792. 15:55 * Azure chuckles and pets you carefully
  793. 15:55 *  Sierra braces for pets, purring along happily
  794. 15:58 *  Sierra gets sleepy and blurry
  795. --- Log closed Tue May 03 16:05:54 2022
  796. --- Log opened Tue May 03 16:06:48 2022
  797. 16:06 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  798. 16:06 Sierra |  
  799. 16:07 *  Sierra scanlines back into existence
  800. 16:07 *  Sierra noses for a blue fox
  801. 16:07 Azure | Welcome.
  802. 16:07 *  Sierra found it
  803. 16:07 *  Sierra boops the fox
  804. 16:07 * Azure noses into your hand
  805. 16:08 *  Sierra pets the nose, turning into petting the fox
  806. 16:08 * Azure lies down in front of you.
  807. 16:09 *  Sierra snugs besides you
  808. 16:10 *  Sierra combs your fur
  809. 16:13 * Azure scoots up against your side and rests their chin on their hands, tail curling around one of your legs.
  810. 16:15 *  Sierra slides around, getting next to your belly and combing the soft fur there
  811. 16:17 * Azure rolls onto their back, resting a hand on yours and stretching out as they wag their tail
  812. 16:17 *  Sierra rubs your soft belly floof using both of his paws
  813. 16:19 Azure | AFK for a moment.
  814. --- Log closed Tue May 03 16:24:26 2022
  815. --- Log opened Tue May 03 17:32:21 2022
  816. 17:32 *  Sierra hugs
  817. 17:35 * Azure pts you.
  818. 17:37 *  Sierra nuzzles
  819. 17:37 * Azure rubs under your chin with two fingers.
  820. 17:38 Sierra | purr
  821. --- Log closed Tue May 03 17:43:26 2022
  822. --- Log opened Tue May 03 18:04:47 2022
  823. 18:04 *  Sierra hugs
  824. 18:05 * Azure hugs you, a bit sleepily.
  825. 18:05 Sierra | had any interesting dreams
  826. 18:05 Azure | Oh, well, a few things off and on, but nothing really appropriate for sharing.
  827. 18:06 Sierra | hmm
  828. 18:06 Sierra | I forgot many of mine
  829. 18:07 Azure | Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE3KjKg69ZA
  830. 18:07 Sierra | hey I've seen that one
  831. 18:08 Sierra | nevermind I fell asleep while watching it
  832. 18:08 Sierra | but it's really interesting
  833. 18:11 *  Sierra hugs
  834. 18:11 * Azure chuckles
  835. --- Log closed Tue May 03 18:17:26 2022
  836. --- Log opened Tue May 03 19:10:57 2022
  837. 19:10 *  Sierra nuzzles
  838. 19:12 Sierra | I'm having problems with the probability sections of my courses
  839. 19:12 *  Sierra hugs
  840. 19:12 Sierra | it all quickly loses meaning to me
  841. 19:12 * Azure lifts an ear
  842. 19:12 Azure | Oh?
  843. 19:13 * Azure pets you carefully
  844. 19:13 *  Sierra is a cute lynx
  845. 19:14 Sierra | do you know a good textbook to learn probability?
  846. 19:15 Azure | HMmmmm.
  847. 19:15 Sierra | I'm up to the point to understand that several statistical measures are defined by integrals
  848. 19:15 Azure | Let me see if I have something worthwhile....
  849. 19:17 Azure | https://electric.fox.blue/dist/Jaynes.-.Probability.theory%2C.the.logic.of.science.%281996%29%28589s%29.djvu
  850. 19:17 Azure | Trying to keep to something relatively recent so it won't be confusing when the symbols and terminology are completely different...
  851. 19:17 Sierra | that happens?
  852. 19:18 Azure | https://electric.fox.blue/dist/A%20Course%20In%20Probability%20Theory%20-%20Chung%20K%20L.djvu is also relatively recent.
  853. 19:18 Azure | Sometimes.
  854. 19:18 Azure | If you grab a probability book from the 1940s or 1950s the concepts are similar but how they're described is often different.
  855. 19:18 Sierra | hmm
  856. 19:19 Azure | Though it happens overall in other mathematics
  857. 19:19 Sierra | what about statistics?
  858. 19:19 Azure | Like if you read Newton's original book on calculus it's all about Fluxions and Fluons.
  859. 19:19 Azure | Also just how things are organized can change over times.
  860. 19:19 Azure | Err, over time.
  861. 19:20 Azure | I don't know, I've never looked at old statistics books.
  862. 19:20 Sierra | et in linuga latina
  863. 19:20 Sierra | thanks!
  864. 19:20 *  Sierra hugs and nuzzles
  865. 19:20 Sierra | ^.^
  866. 19:21 Sierra | (cute emoticon face)
  867. 19:21 * Azure hugs you
  868. 19:22 Azure | I have read math books IN Latin before.
  869. 19:22 Azure | Like Galileo's Starry Messenger.
  870. 19:22 Azure | Gauss also wrote his doctoral thesis in Latin.
  871. 19:25 Sierra | I didn't know that
  872. 19:25 Sierra | I'm also starting to learn latin
  873. 19:25 Sierra | I just want a way to read linuga latina per se illustrata and learn the pronunciation
  874. 19:26 Azure | Quo modo tibi placet?
  875. 19:26 Azure | Oh. Pronunciation isn't that hard.
  876. 19:27 Azure | The most interesting thing is that there's evidence that '-um' was actually pronounced as a nasalized vowel.
  877. 19:27 Sierra | Cuál modo tibi placet?
  878. 19:27 Sierra | I know spanish and a bit of french
  879. 19:27 Azure | 'How does it please you?'
  880. 19:27 Azure | "How do you like it?"
  881. 19:27 Azure | In Latin.
  882. 19:27 Sierra | sounds like it
  883. 19:27 Sierra | I could approximate a bit
  884. 19:28 Azure | I took French when I was a kit but not very much.
  885. 19:28 Azure | I hated the way the teacher went about things.
  886. --- Log closed Tue May 03 19:34:26 2022
  887. --- Log opened Tue May 03 19:40:49 2022
  888. 19:40 *  Sierra hugs
  889. --- Log closed Tue May 03 19:46:26 2022
  890. --- Log opened Tue May 03 19:49:14 2022
  891. 19:49 Sierra | thanks
  892. 19:49 Azure | Aber natürlich.
  893. 19:49 Sierra | nein spoychen deuchen
  894. 19:49 Sierra | :P
  895. 19:50 Azure | Are you using some non-Unicode character encoding?
  896. 19:50 Sierra | why?
  897. 19:50 Sierra | no
  898. 19:50 Sierra | I use unicode
  899. 19:50 Azure | Oh, I just wondered.
  900. 19:55 *  Sierra nibbles your ears
  901. --- Log closed Tue May 03 20:01:26 2022
  902. --- Log opened Tue May 03 20:01:28 2022
  903. 20:01 * Azure yips and splays their ears, nosing you
  904. 20:01 *  Sierra splays his ears
  905. --- Log closed Tue May 03 20:07:26 2022
  906. --- Log opened Tue May 03 21:05:34 2022
  907. 21:05 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  908. 21:05 Sierra |  
  909. 21:05 *  Sierra hugs
  910. 21:07 * Azure puts an arm around you.
  911. --- Log closed Tue May 03 21:12:44 2022
  912. --- Log opened Tue May 03 21:23:39 2022
  913. 21:23 *  Sierra nuzzles your arm, feeling your soft floof
  914. --- Log closed Tue May 03 21:28:44 2022
  915. --- Log opened Tue May 03 21:55:35 2022
  916. 21:55 *  Sierra hugs
  917. --- Log closed Tue May 03 22:00:44 2022
  918. --- Log opened Tue May 03 22:03:23 2022
  919. 22:03 * Azure pets from your ears down toward your tail
  920. --- Log closed Tue May 03 22:08:44 2022
  921. --- Log opened Wed May 04 01:47:03 2022
  922. 01:47 Sierra | nini
  923. 01:47 *  Sierra spirals
  924. 01:51 Azure | Good night
  925. 01:54              quit | Azure!~azure@40E91683:F23A1A8F:7E3C179:IP: [Quit: ⚡ Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-POP! ⚡]
  926. --- Log closed Wed May 04 01:55:20 2022
  927. --- Log opened Fri May 06 21:35:37 2022
  928. 21:35 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  929. 21:35 Sierra | hello
  930. 21:35 *  Sierra pets
  931. 21:38 Sierra | how are you?
  932. 21:39 Azure | Oh, I'm fine, thank you.
  933. 21:39 Sierra | good, I'm also fine
  934. 21:42 Sierra | caused any lightning storms recently?
  935. 21:42 Azure | Nope.
  936. 21:42 Azure | Works better in the summer.
  937. 21:43 Sierra | planning to grow?
  938. 21:43 Azure | Not really.
  939. 21:43 *  Sierra nuzzles
  940. 21:44 Sierra | so I still have time to nuzzle you
  941. 21:44 Sierra | or for me to grow
  942. 21:45 * Azure chuckles and pets over your muzzle, "Are you planning to?"
  943. 21:47 Sierra | maybe
  944. 21:47 * Azure nods their head.
  945. 21:48 Sierra | I need to find some radioactive gummy vitamins
  946. 21:48 * Azure nods their head
  947. 21:48 Azure | Or miracle gro.
  948. 21:48 Sierra | and a greenhouse to sneak to and sleep under the grow light
  949. 21:48 * Azure chuckles
  950. 21:49 Sierra | and wake up as a lynx that has outgrown the greenhouse
  951. 21:49 * Azure nods their head
  952. --- Log closed Fri May 06 21:54:51 2022
  953. --- Log opened Fri May 06 21:57:28 2022
  954. 21:57 Sierra | how do you usually grow?
  955. 21:58 Azure | By will and intellectual endeavor.
  956. 22:00 Sierra | sounds really inspiring
  957. 22:00 Sierra | you don't wish for lighter loads but for wider shoulders?
  958. 22:01 Azure | Soemthing like that.
  959. 22:02 Azure | Though I actually prefer to spend most of my time quite small.
  960. --- Log closed Fri May 06 22:07:51 2022
  961. --- Log opened Sat May 07 00:01:37 2022
  962. 00:01              quit | Azure!~azure@40E91683:F23A1A8F:7E3C179:IP: [Quit: ⚡ Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-POP! ⚡]
  963. --- Log closed Sat May 07 00:06:51 2022
  964. --- Log opened Fri May 13 20:29:06 2022
  965. 20:29 Irssi: Starting query in furnet with Azure
  966. 20:29 Sierra | hello
  967. 20:29 *  Sierra pets you
  968. 20:29 Sierra | how have you been?
  969. --- Log closed Fri May 13 20:34:44 2022
  970. --- Log opened Fri May 13 20:35:16 2022
  971. 20:35 Azure | Oh, fine thank you.
  972. 20:35 * Azure noses your hand
  973. 20:35 Sierra | purr
  974. 20:35 *  Sierra nuzzles you and hugs
  975. 20:36 * Azure chuckles and pets over your muzzle
  976. 20:41 Sierra | meow
  977. 20:43 Sierra | I'm fine for the time being
  978. 20:46 Azure | Well, good.
  979. 20:49 *  Sierra hugs, a bit sad
  980. 20:49 Azure | Hmmm?
  981. 20:50 * Azure pets you carefully.
  982. 20:50 Sierra | It's just that a short while ago I felt extremely lonely and sad
  983. 20:50 Azure | Why's that?
  984. 20:52 Sierra | I didn't know why, just feeling lonely, not having someone that I trust with the "whole" me
  985. 20:52 * Azure nods and pets you with both paws
  986. 20:52 Sierra | being vulnerable to the point that something petty made me want to cry
  987. 20:53 * Azure lifts an ear, "What's that?"
  988. 20:53 Sierra | just wanting to be funny with some online friends and it backfiring
  989. 20:53 *  Sierra hugs
  990. 20:53 * Azure nods and pets you carefully
  991. 20:54 Sierra | I trust you enough from what I've heard from you that you could undestand what I felt afterwards
  992. 20:55 Sierra | I considered suicide again
  993. 20:55 Azure | How badly did it go?
  994. 20:55 Sierra | planning when to do it
  995. 20:56 Azure | I mean, how did things 'backfire' that you're considering that?
  996. 20:56 Sierra | after reading a website called lost all hope changed my perception of suicide
  997. 20:57 Sierra | It was nothing inconsequential, I would've shrugged it off if I didn't feel lonely and sad before
  998. 20:58 Sierra | as if it was impossible to not feel it
  999. 20:58 * Azure nods their head
  1000. 20:59 Sierra | the point is that now I consider suicide like a chore, needing to prepare stuff before attempting it
  1001. 20:59 Sierra | will, stuff, etc.
  1002. 20:59 Sierra | and now I'm just procrastinating it
  1003. 21:00 Azure | And why is that?
  1004. 21:00 *  Sierra procrastinates on a lot of stuff on the short term
  1005. 21:00 Sierra | after a while the feelings subside
  1006. 21:01 Sierra | it's like episodes that appeared once a week before I met people on furnet
  1007. 21:01 Sierra | that came more often and in greater intensity with stress
  1008. 21:02 *  Sierra hugs
  1009. --- Log closed Fri May 13 21:08:44 2022
  1010. --- Log opened Fri May 13 21:09:53 2022
  1011. 21:09 * Azure nods, "Well, you should try journaling how you feel once or twice a day, if nothing else when you feel like you're miserable all the time you can look back and see whether, in fact, you actually are miserable all the time."
  1012. 21:10 Sierra | sounds useful
  1013. --- Log closed Fri May 13 21:16:44 2022
  1014. --- Log opened Fri May 13 21:16:46 2022
  1015. 21:16 *  Sierra hugs
  1016. 21:16 * Azure hugs you
  1017. 21:17 Sierra | I've heard you had an experience with suicide, can I ask about it?
  1018. 21:20 Azure | It was something called a mixed state which is difficult to describe to people who have never had one, but you can imagine all your emotions turned on to full blast in the least pleasant way.
  1019. 21:20 Azure | It was more a matter of fearing a loss of self control and gnawing my foot off to get out of a trap than wanting to die.
  1020. 21:20 Sierra | oh
  1021. 21:21 *  Sierra hugs
  1022. 21:21 Sierra | did you get better?
  1023. 21:21 Azure | Oh, yes.
  1024. 21:22 Azure | Smart animals can often find better ways to get out of traps, then lay in wait for the one who set them.
  1025. 21:25 *  Sierra hugs and rubs your cheeks
  1026. 21:25 Sierra | thank you for being understanding
  1027. 21:27 * Azure hugs you softly
  1028. 21:32 Sierra | you're now pocket-sized?
  1029. 21:32 Azure | Oh, well, generally, though I don't have to be if you'd prefer otherwise.
  1030. 21:33 *  Sierra nuzzles the smol Azure
  1031. 21:37 * Azure chuckles and pets over your muzzle with both hands
  1032. 21:38 *  Sierra puts you in his pocket, next to his phone, earphones, lighter, and lockpick pouch
  1033. 21:38 * Azure chuckles and curls up there.
  1034. 21:43 *  Sierra imagines your paws and head poke out of the pocket, grabbing the edge
  1035. 21:43 * Azure chuckles and settles back against you, leaning against your chest through your shirt.
  1036. 21:44 Sierra | eep!
  1037. 21:44 Sierra | that tickles!
  1038. 21:46 *  Sierra grabs you through his shirt
  1039. 21:46 * Azure hugs one of your fingers, nuzzling into your hand
  1040. 21:46 Sierra | don't get close to my neck
  1041. 21:47 Azure | All right
  1042. 21:47 Sierra | I feel weird when tiny critters climb there
  1043. 21:49 * Azure nods, "Ticklish or just weird?"
  1044. 21:49 Sierra | weird, really
  1045. 21:51 * Azure nods their head and settles down
  1046. 21:52 *  Sierra has a parakeet that likes climbing into my shoulder
  1047. 21:53 Azure | Oh? How long have you had that?
  1048. 21:54 Sierra | for 2 years, my mom has it
  1049. 21:55 * Azure nods their head
  1050. 21:56 Sierra | it's cute
  1051. 21:59 * Azure nods
  1052. 22:00 *  Sierra pets the tiny azure
  1053. 22:00 Sierra | hold on can you grow at will?
  1054. --- Log closed Fri May 13 22:05:44 2022
  1055. --- Log opened Fri May 13 22:06:52 2022
  1056. 22:06 Azure | Well, sometimes.
  1057. --- Log closed Fri May 13 22:12:44 2022
  1058. --- Log opened Fri May 13 22:46:37 2022
  1059. 22:46 *  Sierra hugs
  1060. 22:46 * Azure pets you.
  1061. 22:48 Sierra | hey I've heard that furnet doesn't have their servers well mantained
  1062. 22:48 Sierra | and I want to still talk to you
  1063. 22:48 Sierra | you're now a friend to me
  1064. 22:48 Azure | Their servers seem fine to me.
  1065. 22:49 Sierra | huh
  1066. 22:49 Azure | I don't know the last time the network has gone down.
  1067. 22:49 Sierra | might be my setup then
  1068. 22:49 Sierra | the point is that I want to set up some alternative communication methods
  1069. 22:49 Sierra | just in case
  1070. 22:49 Azure | Oh, maybe later.
  1071. 22:50 Sierra | ok, I wasn't asking for your contact info
  1072. 22:50 Sierra | would've just posted my email
  1073. 22:50 *  Sierra hugs
  1074. 22:50 Azure | Oh, surely.
  1075. 22:50 Azure | You can give me your email if you like.
  1076. 22:51 Sierra | email: lynxinthesierra@riseup.net
  1077. 22:51 Sierra | xmpp: sierra@nuegia.net
  1078. 22:51 Azure | All right.
  1079. 22:51 Sierra | I like how creative I got with the email
  1080. 22:52 Sierra | "A lynx in the mountains"
  1081. 22:52 Azure | It's not bad.
  1082. 22:53 Sierra | I'm still waiting for an opportunity to get some hardware to self host my stuff
  1083. 22:53 Sierra | though first I need a reliable living space
  1084. 22:53 * Azure nods their head
  1085. 22:54 Azure | Do you stay in a dorm, now?
  1086. 22:54 Azure | Well, I guess you'd go home during the summer?
  1087. 22:54 Sierra | yes, yes if I don't sign on for summer classes
  1088. 22:54 * Azure nods
  1089. 22:54 Sierra | I once had a minecraft server on my previous laptop
  1090. 22:55 Sierra | played with some irl friends
  1091. 22:55 Sierra | fun times, even if it was at the start of the pandemic
  1092. 22:55 Sierra | now that laptop does something more useful, being the main computer my mom
  1093. 22:56 Sierra | linux mint really made that laptop fast
  1094. 22:56 *  Sierra hugs
  1095. 22:56 Sierra | If I connected you to a computer would you store some data for me?
  1096. 22:57 Sierra | as a predator of information
  1097. 22:58 Azure | Oh, possibly. Or process it.
  1098. 23:00 Sierra | A. Z. U. R. E. - FOX-style computation accelerator
  1099. 23:00 Sierra | :P
  1100. 23:01 Azure | Fox-based technology IS pretty good technology.
  1101. 23:02 *  Sierra hugs
  1102. 23:03 Sierra | no master control program needed
  1103. 23:05 * Azure nestles against you, bowing their head
  1104. 23:08 *  Sierra pets your head
  1105. 23:09 Sierra | (guessing full-size fox now)
  1106. 23:10 * Azure nuzzles into your hand
  1107. 23:10 Sierra | *pet pet pet*
  1108. 23:10 Sierra | I had a cat lick my paw, it tickled
  1109. 23:11 Azure | My cat licks me all the time.
  1110. 23:16 Sierra | that's cute
  1111. 23:16 Sierra | this one was one that hangs around a part of my campus
  1112. 23:16 * Azure nods their head
  1113. 23:16 Sierra | might be that it kept its eyes closed and wanted to lick the fur instead of my paw
  1114. --- Log closed Fri May 13 23:22:44 2022
  1115. --- Log opened Sat May 14 00:22:29 2022
  1116. 00:22 *  Sierra covers you in a soft blanket as you sleep nestled against me
  1117. 00:22 * Azure smiles
  1118. 00:22 Azure | Well, thank you.
  1119. 00:25 Sierra | your welcome sleepyfox
  1120. --- Log closed Sat May 14 00:30:45 2022
  1121. --- Log opened Sat May 14 01:14:02 2022
  1122. 01:14 *  Sierra spirals around you
  1123. 01:14 Sierra | nini
  1124. --- Log closed Sat May 14 01:14:06 2022