04 Apr 2022 21:54 with chiv%wolf.furnet.org@biboumi.nuegia.net
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [21:54:31]
\o/
Eyyyy you're back!
Tom [22:01:06]
hi
you still there?
i need to talk to you
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:07:33]
watching a movie at the moment, what's up?
Tom [22:08:27]
oh
the folf shared with me a log
i assume you know what i'm reffering to
i also want to ask you, as i understood it folf shared with you my contact information but i never recieved anything from you
why?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:09:51]
The only email I have is my personal email address
So unfortunately sending an email wasn't exactly a viable option for privacy reasons from my end :/
Tom [22:10:58]
couldn't you have set something up?
if it really mattered to you
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:12:09]
Not anything that I had the time or ability to do in combination with work and such.
Tom [22:12:23]
alright
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:12:40]
Seems like you were able to get things sorted with the furnet admins, though?
Tom [22:12:45]
do you feel the same way archie and woob does and acted?
no, i didn't talk to them. my client just reconnected and it didn't immediately kick me off and knowing lymril and previous conversations with them, they probably just forgot about me
and it's not like after how they acted, i'm going to go and ask them about it
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:13:47]
So then you weren't banned?
Tom [22:13:51]
no i was
from the entirety of furnet
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:14:16]
then how were you able to reconnect? Wouldn't someone have had to unban you?
Tom [22:14:24]
I don't know
furnet's servers have been really unstable lately
losing data and netsplitting
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:14:49]
To be fair, losing a banlist isn't too common i don't think x3
Tom [22:15:13]
I don't know
nobody said anything to me
it just started working again
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:15:43]
Well, I am glad you're back and have access again
Tom [22:15:56]
you are?
it seems like most if not all people in #vore didn't give a shit about me
in fact, actively threatened to ban folf to talking about what was happening to me
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:16:55]
It's not that they didn't give a shit, Agris, but there's not exactly a way for people to override Furnet admin
Tom [22:17:02]
and you was there when woob did that
vogelle even encouraged
gave woob blessing to do it
as well as some others
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:17:29]
and the reason he was threatened with a temp ban was because he brought it up, people talked about it, and then when the conversation was moving elsewhere, he started insulting people as
if they didn't care
Tom [22:17:53]
as if
from the logs i'm reading, they are admitting they don't
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:18:15]
The channel is not a personal soapbox
Agris the point was that there was nothing feasible that could be done
Tom [22:18:29]
and they were innapropriately injecting rp in order to drown out the conversation
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:18:45]
that's a very colored take on it
Tom [22:19:00]
well how do you feel about it?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:19:08]
it's an RP chat, ultimately, so that's what people are going to do there
Just like I mentioned at the time, not gonna up and pick up the whole channel and try to force everyone in there to move to a different server network, because you got banned by poking
admin with a stick too many times and irritating them :/
Like it sucked, don't get me wrong, but the outcome of pretty much any action was just gonna be other folks getting banned from furnet too
Tom [22:21:02]
you think talking about what happened to me would get you banned from furnet too?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:21:17]
trying to debate it with admin? yes.
Talking about it in the channel? It *was* talked about
It was discussed, people came to a conclusion, and then folks moved back to what they were doing once they concluded they couldn't do anything to change the situation
Tom [22:22:54]
so that's it then
doesn't matter whats happening to your peers
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:23:16]
What's anyone going to do about it, Agris?
hack the server?
Nobody in there has any actual control over furnet, nor do they know personally any of the people who run it
Tom [22:24:10]
if you see something horrible happen to your friends from an admin, and it doesn't seem like the admin is reasonable or sane
talk about moving somewhere else where your peers are going to be banished or abused
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:24:32]
it's a channel on an IRC network. It's like asking the president of chess club to do something when one of the kids in it gets a suspension
nobody's going to move to a different server, Agris
Tom [22:25:18]
it's like moving the chess club to a different reseraunt as adaults when the owner of the place your normally hang out at spits in your friend's cofee
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:25:23]
that's like asking everyone to move to a different school because you yelled at a teacher and got detention
Tom [22:25:49]
so i deserved what happening to me is what your saying? is that right?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:26:19]
Agris, I don't know the exact conversation you had with admin
so I don't know if you deserve it or not
Tom [22:26:30]
there was no conversation
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:26:45]
he just randomly banned you out of the blue, with no warning whatsoever?
Tom [22:26:48]
but how can you just assume that anyways?
well
have you actually had any interaction with the furnet admins yourself?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:27:20]
No
literally 0
Tom [22:27:25]
ok
well
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:27:31]
Because there's literally no reason to
Tom [22:27:34]
that makes this a little more understandable then
chiv
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:27:51]
So what I'm hearing is you *did* have a conversation with admin
Tom [22:27:58]
yes
and several of my friends
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:28:02]
Okay, well, there it is then
Tom [22:28:15]
there what is?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:28:17]
you poked the bear
Tom [22:28:26]
chiv
let me ask you this
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:28:37]
legitimately nothing good ever comes from poking admins on a server like this
Tom [22:28:39]
do you care about me?
WOULD it matter to you if I was killed tommarrow, or banished forever, or for some other reason you could never talk to me again
or would you just brush it off "eh, sucks but whatever"
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:30:16]
Agris, you're an acquaintance who's company I enjoy, yes. But beyond that, I *literally don't know who you are.* I know you as an arctic/fennec fox hybrid that's into some of the same
stuff I am, that I met on a channel dedicated to said subject. I don't know what you enjoy outside of that, I don't know how old you are, I don't know literally anything about you beyond
those first facts that I noted.
Tom [22:30:54]
i'm 23
no wait
24
i'm old enough i forget how old i am
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:31:43]
It would suck to not be able to talk to you again, yes, but unfortunately I don't know you well enough to go tearing through hell and high water to find out what happened
Tom [22:31:43]
anyways;
then we need to setup some other way to contact each other without furnet
please
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:32:32]
I mean do you use telegram or discord at all?
Tom [22:32:47]
and i'd like to explain to you, as well as have several of my friend show you what's going on
what furnet is doing
and bad things are
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:33:03]
I asked about those and Squeaky gave me an email, which I'm not using
Tom [22:33:16]
I don't have telergram or discord
I have xmpp and a telephone number
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:33:29]
Honestly, agris, I really don't care what's going on with Furnet and the way the servers are being run or so on
Tom [22:33:41]
you should care it's really important
and it's really hurting me
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:34:01]
I barely poke my head into IRC as is, and if it poofed, while it'd suck, most of my other socialization occurs elsewhere
Tom [22:34:21]
well
i guess i'm fucked then
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:34:43]
Agris this entire place is a furry RP server, it should not be anything core or central to your existence
Tom [22:34:51]
you won't act because you don't know what's going on, you don't have the perspective to see what's going on
and you won't give me the time of day to show you
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:35:11]
Agris it's an RP server
Tom [22:35:19]
WHAT"S HAPPENING TO ME ISN'T ISOLATED TO FURNET CHIV!
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:35:20]
what going on here *actually matters*?
Tom [22:35:32]
they are literalyl following me around the internet for months
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:35:34]
I know about the issues of you being stalked and harrassed elsewhere, you've told me about it
Tom [22:35:37]
a whole year
the behavior and responses I got back you should know about and see
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:36:10]
But legitimately what am I going to do about that, Agris?
Again: I am not moving the entire vore channel because someone has a personal vendetta against you
Tom [22:36:34]
just listen to what i have to show you, please
Tom [22:39:26]
maybe i should just go
nobody here gives a shit about each other to give them the light of day
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:40:01]
Agris, *what do you expect them to do?*
Tom [22:40:17]
them?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:40:19]
This is a chatroom. people show up here because they're tired after work and just want to casually chat with friendly people
Tom [22:41:06]
guess that's all that matters to them
getting their rocks off after work
and if someone stops providing that, well their just worthless
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:41:57]
It's not that they're worthless, but that's what the channel is *for,* Agris
it's like walking into a taco bell and asking why nobody there cares about the war in ukraine
it's not that they don't care
Tom [22:42:26]
why do you want to remain so oblivious to your own peers being smacked around in the background?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:42:30]
but you're in a random mcdonalds in the middle of, idunno, idaho
what are they going to do about it?
Tom [22:42:46]
they don't have to do anything about it
they just have to understand what's going on and why
you
actually not they
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:43:06]
They do
Tom [22:43:14]
you as in the chanop
moderator of this community
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:43:22]
Squeaky told everyone
Agris, I've told you before
I don't moderate the channel
I'm literally there as a deadman switch
Tom [22:43:49]
you hold a considerable position in this community
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:43:53]
it's really the only reason I still bother keeping the IRC client running
Tom [22:43:54]
wether you know it or not
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:44:12]
If I were not in that position, I likely would not have reinstalled the client after migrating to my new computer
Tom [22:44:25]
*sigh(
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:44:32]
I've got too many other things going on in my life at the moment to delve into moderating a server channel
Tom [22:44:35]
i can't do this alone, especially not wirght now
Tom [22:46:16]
who does?
who does moderate the channel chiv?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:48:25]
You can ask Rubah if you want something done there
But legitimately, what are you asking be done, Agris?
Tom [22:48:42]
literally nothing
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:48:49]
Then what are you upset about?
Tom [22:48:52]
i just want people to understand what i'm going through
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:48:58]
People understand
they were told
they know
Tom [22:49:09]
and i want people to understand why it's important to not call furnet home
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:49:17]
you don't need to keep rubbing their faces in it like you're trying to teach a dog not to pee on the carpet
they know
nobody else does
Tom [22:49:38]
and then i want them to accept my solution which is an escape plan off of furnet
a technical transition
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:49:47]
Agris, *none of them care about going elsewhere*
Tom [22:50:03]
you don't know
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:50:13]
Agris, it's been brought up
Tom [22:50:14]
you spent the earlier portion of this chat saying you don't know, you've never talked to the admin
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:50:15]
ask in the channel if you want
Tom [22:50:23]
and folf didn't say much of anything
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:50:25]
I am not talking to the *server* admin
Tom [22:50:33]
DO NOT talk to the server admin
at least not without hearing what's happening to me first and seeing the logs
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:50:52]
Agris
again
we already know
Squeaky already told everyone what happened
you are assuming everyone else puts *far* more weight on this channel than they do
it is a channel of 26 people that is dead 90% of the time
Tom [22:51:51]
squeaky didn't say much of anyting
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:52:00]
He said enough that people got the picture
and then he stormed off because he was upset we weren't trying to up and move the whole channel elsewhere
which, again, *is not happening*
Tom [22:52:31]
no because woob threatened to do ""administrative action"" on him
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:52:37]
You already talked to Rubah about moving it once, as she mentioned while squeaky was here
Tom [22:52:37]
and others encouraged it
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:52:50]
That's because he literally refused to let the topic of conversation move on
you cannot hold the entire channel hostage as a personal soapbox
Tom [22:53:20]
oh
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:53:23]
Yes, it sucked, everyone was aware, people were glad to know they at least knew what happened to you
Tom [22:53:24]
so now your moderating
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:53:30]
but after that, the channel is for RP'ing
Tom [22:53:33]
no your not aware
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:53:49]
I did not threaten him with a ban, Agris, nor did I encourage anyone to do so
Tom [22:53:58]
your choosing to remain ignorant
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:54:02]
but I understand what "rules," as such, that he was breaking
Tom [22:54:19]
you won't even allow me to explain it to you
and your claiming you know everything
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:54:36]
What am I ignorant of, agris? That you have someone after you that's banning you? That furnet's netcode is trash? That the servers themselves are slowly going down one by one?
sorry, *getting you banned,* not banning you themselves
Tom [22:54:55]
yes
it's not just 'someone'
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:55:13]
To me they're just someone
I don't know them personally
Tom [22:55:23]
furnet's netcode is irrelvant
hold on
your putting me on the spot
i'm trying to schedule a time when we all can explain it to you
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:55:43]
What is it you're saying I don't know, agris
Tom [22:56:11]
i can answer that if you'd schedule a time to have me explain it to you with the help of my friends and logs
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:56:15]
I'm not scheduling a meeting with you to discuss what's wrong with furnet
Tom [22:56:16]
and we organized it off furnet
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:56:26]
i have enough meetings at fucking work
I am not treating #vore as another job, agris, I've got enough of those as is
Tom [22:56:47]
fine
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:56:56]
TL;DR it
Tom [22:57:14]
i literally can't
we'll just have to write an article about it and share it with you
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:57:35]
Then you're not going to get anybody in the channel to care about it, Agris
people aren't going to read an article about it
Tom [22:57:43]
you know chiv
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:57:59]
If you can't condense it into some sort of abstract, synopsis, or so on
you *literally* will not be able to get them to care
Tom [22:58:10]
if you really don't give a shit about the communities you moderate, you should give it to someone who does
like me
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:58:18]
hell no
The last people that should have moderation powers? Are those who want it.
That's how you get power-tripping admins who think they know what's best for everyone
Tom [22:59:18]
like rubah
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [22:59:19]
works great in politics, see the US over the past 10 or so years
Rubah didn't ask to be an admin either
Tom [23:00:24]
maybe we should just give it to the people who wouldn't be on irc even if it wasn't for some 'deadman switch' who uphold bullying against people like shentino because their scared of
someone who hasn't shown their face here in... almost a decade now?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:00:44]
Oh my god are you seriously bringing up Shentino?
Tom [23:00:54]
because their too afraid of retaliation from ... harney?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:01:00]
The guy tried to guilt trip me into unbanning him, I'm not doing that,.
There are other people beside him in the channel that remember him, and when I asked about him, similarly said to not let him back in.
Tom [23:01:28]
right... not a moderator except when you are
look
i'm sorry
i don't want this conversation to get this heated
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:01:52]
I'm a moderator when people poke me about it directly
Tom [23:01:54]
that's not my intention
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:02:16]
I literally cannot ignore someone poking me to ask them to review their banning, nor will I.
But if they ask, and I ask the community what they think, and they say no? Guess what my answer's gonna be?
I'm not a dictator, I'm going to ask folks in the channel
Moving was brought up, and was immediately shot down by everyone present
end of story on it
Tom [23:03:02]
maybe you shouldn't exclude and ostracize people based on public opinion
that really rubbed me the wrong way
i asked around too
whatever happened, it was so minor and it happened years ago
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:03:32]
You're asking me to let someone into a semi-private channel, with people that seemingly don't like them... why?
how is this beneficial?
other than irritating multiple people for the sake of one other person I don't know?
Tom [23:04:11]
just to be clear i'm not asking you. shentino told me they don't care about this place anymore. i was just using it as an example
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:04:34]
Then why do you, and he, and someone else, keep asking?
if he really doesn't care that much?
why are you the *third* person to poke me about it?
Tom [23:05:01]
for the sake of treating banishment and ostracism like the extremely harash nuclear button that it is and keeping bans for decades
who needs to be banned for decades?
what if that was me, i think to myself
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:05:31]
Obviously he ticked people off enough that they decided temp bans weren't cutting it anymore
Tom [23:05:48]
MLK ticked a lot of people off too
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:06:04]
Agris
Tom [23:06:05]
so do the homeless people i see on the street
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:06:09]
Shentino is not fucking MLK
And you have literally just lost all credibility by making that comparison
Tom [23:06:38]
I think you have a higher standard to be held to as a moderator
is what i'm saying
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:06:56]
Agris
Tom [23:07:00]
that's higher than 'a couple people kinda don't like someone for dubious reasons so well banish them
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:07:09]
*i'm a moderator for a fucking chat where people type-fuck about eating each other*
look at the context
Tom [23:07:12]
look i'm not pushing getting shentino unbanned
i'm just saying it rubs me really wrong how you handled that
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:07:24]
>channel about eating people
>literally anything else in the world is more important than this
* Tom takes a quick breather [23:07:56]
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:08:00]
there are so many other places to go talk to people about that
so
many
that's the beauty of the internet
Go on f-list
furaffinity
telegram
discord
this is 1 channel out of *hundreds of thousands* of places and ways to talk to people about this subject
Tom [23:10:15]
it's a community of people with a common interest group. It doesn't matter what the interest is, if it's ham radio, or furry vore, or sci-fi writing, dnd, nerd stuff. People are there
because they like something and they are passionate about it. It really doesn't matter what medium it's over if it's a club meeting at a church, a table at a furcon, an irc channel, a
telephone part line, a mailing list. what matters is that there are people at the other end of that line
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:10:39]
*passionate* is potentially a strong word for a lot of people there, Agris
They have an interest in it, yes
Tom [23:10:52]
those places you mentioned above really aren't practical options for far too many reason i have to get into right now
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:10:55]
that doesn't mean it's a core hobby or component of their life
Agris they work fine for the 99%
You don't trust telegram's security? Fine that's your choice, but that doesn't mean the option isn't there for everyone else
Tom [23:11:55]
first that number is much lower than you think and secondly, PFFT and fuck the rest of the percenters?
i literally cannot get a telegram account
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:12:23]
Your average, every day person doesn't care about the technical reasons why xyz is vastly inferior to ABC method of technological communication
Tom [23:12:40]
I don't have my telephone service through one of the two country duopoly providers
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:12:51]
Is XYZ easy to use? Yes? They're gonna use it
Tom [23:12:57]
and telegram decided because of that, it's not good enough
also
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:13:15]
You can use telegram with a google phone number
Tom [23:13:26]
it's not pratical to have 99 fucking chat apps that all do more or less the same thing
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:13:40]
You're right, I have two I actually use, Discord and Telegram
Tom [23:13:46]
some of my friends ar blind are need special accomodations
they don't fit into your one size fits all download this app
does that mean they should be exluded from being able to communicate with people?
does that mean they should be able to join clubs?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:14:35]
No, that's on developers to work on accessibility features and such. For example, screen readers, which things like telegram work with
Tom [23:15:00]
right
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:15:34]
Unfortunately the modern era of technology, being primarily screen based, is not the friendliest for people with poor vision. It's a cruel reality of the world right now, and I'm always
happy to see when there's new tech that comes out, like tactile LCDs, to potentially remedy that issue
But unfortunately the vast majority of the 99%? Are not going to care about the 1% having issues
Tom [23:16:07]
beg and please the $proprietary_instant_messaging_fad_app_of_the_year's developers give a shit about my specific problems i'm having or my friend's specific problems i'm having,
especially if i'm part of that 1% and then even if they do, have whatever they did undone in the next major update or the next shift to the next fad platform of the year
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:16:12]
just look at the state of the world right now :/
Tom [23:16:20]
these are problems I solved
these are problems i've dealt with
and my friends dealt with
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:16:37]
>care about random channel on an RP server
Tom [23:16:38]
and we found the solutions for
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:16:47]
>care about the inflation that's putting me on the brink of starvation
* Tom hugs [23:17:07]
* Tom hugs you [23:17:11]
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:17:16]
That's the kind of thing people are dealing with. They're coming here to relax and decompress, not fight *yet another* battle, agris
Tom [23:17:40]
let me fight that battle chiv
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:17:46]
That's why people in the channel aren't going to do anything. You're walking into the massage parlor and asking people to fight against child slavery in africa
they're not here for that
Tom [23:18:04]
no i'm not
that's a garbage analogy and a misunderstanding
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:18:46]
Then what are you asking people to do, agris?
you keep saying nothing
but then saying you have a whole article of things, and how you want people to move off furnet
that's not nothing
that's wanting people to move off furnet
Tom [23:19:12]
i'm saying "here's a problem, here's a solution, please take some time to understand and make the right decision, let me know if there is any other way to accomodate your specific
problems"
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:19:26]
which was already discussed, and people said "Frankly, can't be arsed"
You're trying to solve a problem that, for people that are in the channel that are active, doesn't affect them
Tom [23:20:09]
well
for one
i'm just asking for some sympathy
and here you are
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:20:28]
Agris you *have* my sympathy
Tom [23:20:32]
putting me on the spot right after being abused
expecting me to lay out some master plan in front of you right here right now
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:20:49]
but you and squeaky keep trying to make it out like I'm not feeling *bad enough* for you, and that's just not satisfactory
Tom [23:20:52]
before you even know what the problem is
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:20:56]
I'm not asking for a master plan, agris
because, as I mentioned, there's not a problem that is preventing people in that channel from doing what they're there to do
the only person, currently, who's had an issue with the server is you
Tom [23:21:57]
fuck me then
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:21:58]
And this is *after* you went and directly poked the admins of the network
not from anything that happened in #vore
so as far as people in #vore are concerned, it's literally not their problem
Tom [23:22:34]
here we go again with all these FUCKING accuzations when you don't even know what's going on and you SHUT me down when i offer to explain it
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:22:50]
If you did something in #vore, and then got banned? Then yes, people would probably care more
Agris i'm not accusing you of anything, other than stating you talked with admin.
This is not a case of rampant admin abuse, people are not getting banned left and right
Tom [23:24:06]
people are
that's LITERALLY what's happening right now
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:24:42]
How many of them are from #vore?
Tom [23:25:09]
how many need to be before you'll be open to hearing about it?
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:25:10]
Because I can tell you: All of the folks that generally talk in the channel? Are still there.
Agris that's not an answer, that's a sidestep
Tom [23:25:26]
no
what your doing is a sidestep
what's happening to me doesn't matter
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:25:43]
No, I asked a question, and you tried to respond with another question
Tom [23:25:47]
your saying what's happening to me isn' enough
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:25:47]
that's not answering, that's a sidestep
Tom [23:25:52]
so i'm asking you
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:25:55]
correct, you are 1 datapoint
Tom [23:25:56]
how much is enough
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:26:05]
and a very biased one at that
Tom [23:26:21]
alright chib
you know what
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:26:26]
I can't give you an exact answer, but it's more than 1
Tom [23:26:33]
since i'm just a statistic to you
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:26:42]
Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern is my general modus
Tom [23:26:49]
since nobody in here seems to give a shit about each other
or the channel
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:26:57]
You're not a statistic to me, and it's not people not giving a shit agris
Tom [23:27:01]
or your peers
maybe is should just go
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:27:15]
but you are *literally* the only person known in that channel, who's been banned.
by furnet admins
that does not make it suddenly a channel problem, that makes it a *you* problem for the time being
Tom [23:27:45]
and your intent to keep your ignorance that way and blame it on others
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:27:57]
what am I ignorant of, agris?
tell me the number then
how many people in that channel, that are active, have been banned by furnet administration?
Tom [23:29:45]
your sick
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:30:15]
What's the answer, agris, instead of personally insulting me?>
Tom [23:30:16]
enjoy your little corner of sociopathic apathy
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:31:13]
I get the feeling this is similar to your conversation with furnet admin, which is why you wound up banned for "immature" :/ Surprisingly, insulting people doesn't actually win people to
your side, Agris.
I do sincerely hope you have a better rest of your evening, but I strongly suggest a good evaluation of your priorities on what things do and don't matter in life. Because a vore channel
on a random furry network should not be one you lose sleep over.
Tom [23:33:51]
your so dense
i'm sorry
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:34:03]
And back to insulting
Tom [23:34:10]
i don't know any other way to say that
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:34:27]
Agris I'm not dense, it's that I know how to read social cues.
Tom [23:34:47]
you have this idea of what's going on
that's wrong btw
completely off
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:35:01]
And every time I ask you to give me one piece of information
you say you can't
but i'm wrong
Tom [23:35:29]
when i offer to you refuse
when i say ok i'll write an arcticle then
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:35:43]
I asked for a piece, Agris
Tom [23:35:48]
LOL nobody's going to read an article agris
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:35:49]
not the entire caked jammed down my throat
A research paper has a synopsis
an abstract
something short to get the gist of why people should care
I'm asking you to give me that
if you're going to block dump a bunch of technical info in an article, then I guaruntee you that, yes, nobody is going to read that, because you haven't given them a reason to
If you cannot express the info you have concisely, you have a communication issue you need to resolve first before anybody will pay attention
we live in an era of short attention spans where people convey news articles in a tweet of 256 characters
I am asking for you to give me a summary
Tom [23:38:24]
i have a summary for you
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:38:40]
Okay, what is it:?\
Tom [23:40:15]
I don't want to surround myself with people who's attention span is that of 256 characters, and abandon their peers when something happens to them and they aren't able to provide you
pleasure anymore. Where something terrible can happen to the people around them and their able to just move on just like that
and who's emotions and interactions are disengenuous
who think that's a virtue
peers who my emotions needs to be condensed down into a tweet for them to be paletable
else i get pushed away
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:43:11]
agris, there's your problem, you're turning it into an emotional issue
Tom [23:44:06]
goodbye chiv
chiv%wolf.furnet.org [23:44:17]
if it's an emotional issue, then from the objective standpoint of the channel, it doesn't matter. Are you close personal friends with Kyvern, for example?