File: <20220124-Email-Agris-Wizards-Re-Suspension>

  1. Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:02:02 -0800
  2. From: agris@nuegia.net
  3. Disposition-Notification-To: agris@nuegia.net
  4. To: Austin Dern <austin@spindizzy.org>
  5. Cc: wizzes@spindizzy.org
  6. Subject: Appeal
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  15. On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 23:50:26 -0500
  16. Austin Dern <austin@spindizzy.org> wrote:
  17. > Agris, 
  18. > 
  19. >         There are rooms on SpinDizzy that are accessible only to a
  20. > few people on a short, specific list.  This is normal on SpinDizzy.
  21. > Not everything is public.  People have and should have private rooms.
  22. > Your specific interest in Voksa's rooms coincides with a conflict
  23. > with Voksa that began outside SpinDizzy.  That conflict has no
  24. > bearing on whether Voksa can decide who can enter his rooms.
  25. > Further, you have shown no concern over any of the large number of
  26. > *other* rooms you don't have access to.  To focus only on Voksa's
  27. > establishes beyond doubt that the real problem is your relationship
  28. > with Voksa, and not access to his rooms. Your pagemails to Patashu
  29. > and Ping, and several hours of conversation with Ping, make clear you
  30. > believe you can pester people into getting your way.  Further that
  31. > you believe you can distract from the fundamental issue by focusing
  32. > on access to Voksa's rooms.  In this light, your repeated insistence
  33. > on forcing entry into Voksa's personal rooms constitutes ongoing
  34. > harassment of him. You are banned from SpinDizzy.  Because you have
  35. > already repeatedly attempted to circumvent this suspension by
  36. > attempting to regain access without permission, it is not temporary.
  37. > The Wizards, SpinDizzy
  38. > 
  39. > 
  40. Thank you for explaining your reasoning and how you came to that
  41. conclusion. I would like to appeal this judgement under the grounds
  42. that this judgement was done improperly. This was done behind closed
  43. doors, without the opportunity for me to defend myself or contest
  44.  untrue statements. There is also a lack of evidence supporting the
  45.  claims against and a poor understanding of events and the whole
  46.  situation really.
  47. Firstly I want to ask if you actually read the pagemail you are
  48. referring to because I feel that if you had, it would undermine a lot
  49. of the conclusions that you have jumped to. I will quote it here:
  50. >To Patashu: I am willing to say "I am sorry if I did anything to make
  51. >you feel uncomfortable or to make you feel that I am harassing you" to
  52. >Voksa
  53. >
  54. >I want to make the following points:
  55. >
  56. >1. Make clear I am not here to ruin anybody's day. If it ruins
  57. >anybody's day me simply being here that is unfair.
  58. >
  59. >2. make clear I am not here to Harass Voksa
  60. >
  61. >3. whatever the problem is on the other platform, I am not bringing it
  62. >to SpinDizzy
  63. >
  64. >4. I have not done anthing on SpinDizzy to complement these claims
  65. >against me.
  66. >
  67. >5. This issue was only brough to forefront when I couldn't enter spaces
  68. >on SpinDizzy when all I ever did was say "hello".
  69. >
  70. >6. What happens ON SpinDizzy is the issue
  71. >
  72. >7. Whatever the staff want to suggest to resolve the issue I am ears
  73. >open to.
  74. >
  75. >
  76. >
  77. >additionally, my friend wrote the following questions they wanted me to
  78. >relay:
  79. >
  80. >1 ) Not a threat
  81. >- Agris is not here to ruin anyone's day.
  82. >- He's not here or planning to break anyone's rules.
  83. >
  84. >2 ) Wants to enjoy the space
  85. >- Agris wants to enjoy Spindizzy the same as he's done for as long as
  86. >he's been here.
  87. >- He doesn't want drama. It's the last thing he wants.
  88. >
  89. >3 ) Nature of the claim
  90. >- Voksa is claiming Agris will harass them as the basis of their
  91. >actions. He won't. If he has, he will not further.
  92. >
  93. >4 ) Nature of the actions
  94. >- Agris was, from my understanding, a neutral party in SpinDizzy at the
  95. >time of the event.
  96. >- The ban on him is therefore an action on a neutral party (no
  97. >provocation).
  98. >- It must, then, be okay (not in the legal sense but netiquette) to do
  99. >any administrative action up to banning without provocation.
  100. >- New accounts do not have prior provocation. These actions can be
  101. >taken, therefore, on any person based on name or whim.
  102. >
  103. >5 ) Question of time
  104. >- Given (4), is this an indefinitely permissible action? Can it be
  105. >repeated multiple times?
  106. >- How long will Agris have to wait (none, week, year, indefinite) as a
  107. >neutral party to gain the access a new account has?
  108. >
  109. >I was encouraged to join your MUCK by Agris shortly before these events
  110. >and was excited to. Given (4), I am not willing to join a MUCK that
  111. >could potentially do this sort of thing to a brand spanking new user,
  112. >without provocation.
  113. >
  114. >I don't mind whatever else might happen or what judgments take place.
  115. >
  116. >The way this was done has serious implications.
  117. >
  118. >This isn't an isolated case, Agris is not special. That's entirely the
  119. >problem and why it could so recklessly apply. Replace his name with
  120. >anybody in the MUCK.
  121. >
  122. >Kohrokho, Friend of Agris
  123. I don't understand how this can be construed as so.
  124. I want to be specific about the room being referred to. It was
  125. not a private room. The room I am referring to "The Observatory". The
  126. Observatory has no such whitelist/allowlist that you seem to be
  127. insinuating on. It is a blacklist/denylist. It is also listed in the
  128. 'whereare' command which from my understanding lists public
  129. congregation locations. The Observatory is also listed in public
  130. bulletin boards using the 'rpread' command as a location for public
  131. gathering events, such the following log states:
  132. >From: Voksa
  133. >On: 2021-12-31 11:07:26
  134. >This post will expire on: 2022-01-30 11:07:26 -- 20 days and 21 hours
  135. >from now. Subject: Cosmic New Years
  136. >
  137. >In an event of profound astronomical unlikelihood, the new years of
  138. >planetary calendars across the galaxy have aligned! You may have other
  139. >festivities to attend to, but if not, please join me in the
  140. >observatory's telescope dome to celebrate the turning of the worlds.
  141. >Surely there won't be any TEN THOUSAND YEAR CURSES unsealed.
  142. >
  143. >There will be snacks.
  144. >
  145. >Don't worry, I didn't choose the snacks myself.
  146. >
  147. >Telescope dome: luge n10 w3, In, T
  148. >Vaguely around server midnight on new years, and maybe a few hours
  149. >before and after.
  150. >
  151. >Done.
  152. I was even invited by several people to attend. In addition to that,
  153. The Observatory being a primary map location (N10 W3) on the main map.
  154. We aren't talking about some obscure hidden location behind a bunch of
  155. doors. This is something with primary coordinates. It is also pinned to
  156. the wa list along side all the other public meeting places.
  157. > Further, you have shown no concern over any of the large number of
  158. > *other* rooms you don't have access to.
  159. I was not aware of any other "rooms" during my exploration from which I
  160. did not have access to. What rooms are you referring to?
  161. I sent that earlier quoted email to Ping and Patashu. I connected and
  162. messaged Ping if their stuff in storage was ok, because they had
  163. explained in the previous night there was a fire.
  164. Ping responded by telling me they just got back from dinner and "You
  165. are no longer welcome on SpinDizzy". And that I would be imminently
  166. disconnected while they look for the command, which they did.
  167. Ping did not explain a reason for the ban and their language gave me
  168. the understanding it was permanent. I did reconnect as a guest a
  169. few times however the purpose of that was to exchange contact
  170. information with acquaintances and people whom I was starting to build
  171. friendships with. Also, to explain what was going on to them. I made
  172. that clear. It is unfair to hold that against me, I am only human. The
  173. way in which Ping did that was unreasonable. What would you do if you
  174. were in that situation? Not try to re-establish contact with and reach
  175. out to your friends? People are not robots. Other people's relationships
  176. are not something you can just destroy like that.
  177. I believe and this is just one of many reasons that Ping has it out for
  178. me.
  179. Not only that but Ping's actions and false statements to others during
  180. this time destroyed my reputation and ostracized me. To the point some
  181. people whom I previously talked to refused to exchange contact
  182. information with me because they "trust Ping". Ping abusing their
  183. community status and trust.
  184. I connected one day, asked Ping if they got my letter, and the only
  185. thing I was told was:
  186. >Ping pages, "Hi. I just got back from dinner, or I'd have already taken
  187. >care of this, but I got your pagemail from earlier, and also spoke with
  188. >Patashu about the situation." to you.
  189. >Ping pages, "You are no longer welcome on Spindizzy." to you.
  190. >You page, "what?" to Ping.
  191. >Ping pages, "Just what I said. I'll send you an email once I've written
  192. >it, and you're welcome to disconnect now or wait until I figure out the
  193. >appropriate commands to do it myself, but you are no longer welcome
  194. >here." to you.
  195. I was not given a reasoning for the ban. I was not given a duration of
  196. the ban. I was not given a 'fair shake'. That was it. Zero to one
  197. hundred.
  198. I was never told there was a 'suspension' of any sort until much later
  199. talking to Austin. Now your telling me i'm banned for reconnecting? You
  200. can't just retroactively make up new rules now and have them apply to
  201. the past. That's called a Ex post facto judgement. How is that fair?
  202. Not only that but then you go and ban my friends from the muck too when
  203. they get curious? What's up with that? Why? What did they do?
  204. Anyways, when Ping did they were already spreading untrue rumors about
  205. me and when that happened, well, that was all the assurance they
  206. needed. Ping is a wizard; surely if they booted Agris that must mean
  207. something is going on right? You'd think anyways. =(
  208. I never did anything to Voksa. I never harassed them. Not on spindizzy.
  209. Not off spindizzy. The only thing I did is walk in and say
  210. "Hello!". And I've got logs of that too.
  211. Speaking of logs, it was very difficult for me to write this letter and
  212. begin to even address the accusations that were made against me,
  213. non sequiturs, and the way they were. The lack of communication and the
  214. lack of information which was withheld from me. I'm willing to go over
  215. this but can you please at least give me a fair shake and show me the
  216. logs, what your reasoning was, and actual evidence or proof of something
  217. I did wrong so I can talk about that? Otherwise you asking me to prove
  218. my innocence, rather than proving guilty. That's not fair and
  219. demonstrates a clear bias against me.
  220. Look, I'm not trying to put anyone on blast here. All I want, all I
  221. ever wanted was to be given a fair shake. It says so right in your AUP.
  222. I'm not here to get Voksa in trouble. I'm not here to throw Ping under
  223. the bus. It's to resolve conflict. I just want to be treated fairly. If
  224. someone doesn't want to talk to me that's fine but you need to figure
  225. out a way to do it without dragging me through the mud.
  226. When you ostracize people like that it has a social effect. Your you
  227. outright banish people from events or boot them our of community
  228. servers it gives people bad stigmas of that person.
  229. If there's any doubt about that effect, not just on me, but on any of
  230. my friends who might stop by, sign in as a guest and talk to anyone in
  231. the server about Agris. You might even get banned by Ping, even just
  232. off the bat, for being related to me. I'm sure that you'll see at least
  233. one not-so-nice remark. This is the power administration has over social
  234. relationships and it's not to be overlooked. It's a frightening power.
  235. You have something really special here. I really liked the community
  236. here and loved the kind of people I met. I go on
  237. http://www.spindizzy.org/nwp/art/ and I see all that fantastic
  238. close-knit community art and I think, wow. I want to be a part of that.
  239. I still do want to be a part of that, but you've given me a hell of a
  240. welcome =(. It's really a shame that people in such a niche have to be
  241. terrible to each other.
  242. Agris
  243. Please reply to this message so I know it was received.